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> Iran has been calling for the death and destruction of me, my family, and my country my entire life. America has been kidnapping, killing and torturing Irani

> Iran has been calling for the death and destruction of me, my family, and my country my entire life. America has been kidnapping, killing and torturing Iranian civilians since before you were born: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

_DeadFred_ 6mo ago
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- bigyabai 6mo ago
  If 10 year old you was born in Shahist Iran, then you, your parents, your grandparents, your friends and your political leadership might be tortured or executed by the American regime for exercising free speech or opposing domestic policy. You are indeed luckier than those 10 year olds, for enduring death threats and not summary executions. Your fears are the ones lucky enough to be considered silly, theirs are mortal panic.
  - _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
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    - bigyabai 6mo ago
      "You see Timmy, your kneecaps are smashed because Mr. Nixon doesn't think you deserve free speech. Don't take it personally, and don't oppose us or your teeth are next." Which Timmy would you rather be?
      - _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
        Wild take but I condemn both. My nation removed Nixon in disgrace and we despise him almost universally. I condemn him and I condemn the horrible acts done by the United States. Do you not agree that supreme religious leaders shouldn't call for the death and destruction of entire societies ever? You can be against both.
        za3faran 6mo ago
        No one called for the destruction of the american society as a whole, but trump did call for the erasion of their civilization. You're worried about words that are misinterpreted, while leaving the actual terrorism and death conducted by the US and israel and their supporters over the past decades. Remind me again, how much blood of millions do they literally have on their hands?
        _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
        "death to America". Crazy the gaslighting here. Iran has been loud and clear what they want, for 40 years. Also crazy that no one is willing to say "Supreme religious leaders should not call for the destruction of a society it is wrong they have done that for 40 years"
        _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
        Reminder 'death to America' is followed with 'death to Israel'. You can't gaslight that one away as 'Iran doesn't really want to destroy Israel'. And Iran considers Israel the small satan compared to the USA. So it is beyond ridiculous to claim the 'death to America' in 'death to America, death to Isreal' has a different meaning to Iranians from 'death to Israel'.
        za3faran 6mo ago
        Reminder: blood of millions on the hands of the US and israel. They're justified to react, just as how the people of many parts of West Asia and Africa reacted to their european colonizers.
        _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
        Wow, suddenly a dramatic shift from "Chants against the government, as they themselves have made clear, not against the individuals. " and "No one called for the destruction of the american society as a whole" when I point out they also call for death, (and very much mean death of a society) for Israel immediately after they call for death to America. Chants that the Islamic Republic of Iran and it's supreme religious leaders very much mean as the destruction of Israeli society as a whole. They are calling for death to Israel, and by extension that means they also literally mean death to the USA, and it is justified in your eyes. Religious leaders are justified to call for death in your eyes.
- pazimzadeh 6mo ago
  I don't think they care about you, your parents, your grandparents, or your friends unless your family was doing some nefarious things with regards to iran. > you see Timmy, some times religious leaders have to call for the death/destruction of a society because of something that happened 30-70 years earlier Asides from the fact there are Timmy's in Iran too, which I guess don't matter, are you applying the same logic to every conflict? e.g. Israel/Palestine
  - _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
    When the Islamic Republic fo Iran calls for 'death to America, death to Israel' do they also not mean for death to Israel/Israelis? Do they simply want Israel to not do anything nefarious to Iran and they will stop chanting it? They seem very clear they want Israel gone. Their proxies thought Iran meant 'kill grandma' on Oct 7th. They videod it and shared it with the world. It would be odd if half of the chant 'death to America, death to Israel' meant something other than death for America, while the other half meant death to Israel, would it not? If I was to write 'death to Iran' here would you give me the such a benefit of the doubt? If the Pope was to chant it every weekend? Where did I say Iran/Iran's Timmy didn't matter? I said it didn't invalidate my lived experience. I said calling for revenge killing against entire societies is wrong, I said Iran's acts were also wrong. I gave their impact on me as a child and how it has shaped my views. I never said Iran's Timmy didn't matter. I never denied Iran Timmy's lived experience. I (unlike others here) never said a childhood lived experience is invalidated because reasons or historical context. Yes, they all can be evil and have deep impact, on all sides. What happened on Oct 7? Wrong. What happened in Gaza afterwards? Wrong. They can all be wrong. Do you agree? Oct 7th was wrong? What Israel did in Gaza was wrong? And calling for death to a country by anothers leaders/religious leaders, also wrong? Childhood lived experience is not wrong, is not evil on the child's part, it simply is. However religious leaders calling for death is ALWAYS wrong, yet no one here will agree to that, they simply give context for why it is ok.
    - pazimzadeh 6mo ago
      > Do you agree? Oct 7th was wrong? What Israel did in Gaza was wrong? And calling for death to a country by anothers leaders/religious leaders, also wrong? Yes. I agree. But I care way more about actions than words. There is way more Iranian blood on the hands of the US/Israel partners and allies (including Saddam Hussein and ISIS) than vice versa. Iran doesn’t have bases or any presence near US borders. Western powers have been playing puppet-master with Iran since the world wars. You keep talking about your childhood experience. It doesn’t move me. You can think of Iran having a disease, a recurrent infection of Islamism; I’m saying the medicine has caused more problems than anything else, strengthening resistance to antibiotics. And then you go back to “when I was little I was scared of getting sick.” Write that in your diary if you want but it’s not useful in our little debate. The mullahs use anti-American rhetoric because it is popular, and it is popular because it is justified if you take a hard look at history. You seem to think that if Iran’s government became secular they would automatically change their stance towards the US and Israel, and I disagree (assuming the secular government is a representative democracy). In fact the 2026 Iran war probably made sure of this for the next 30 years. You should find this interesting: https://x.com/tiberiusfiles/status/1926906215763693754?s=46 https://x.com/tiberiusfiles/status/1926906215763693754?s=46

_DeadFred_ 6mo ago

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bigyabai 6mo ago
If 10 year old you was born in Shahist Iran, then you, your parents, your grandparents, your friends and your political leadership might be tortured or executed by the American regime for exercising free speech or opposing domestic policy. You are indeed luckier than those 10 year olds, for enduring death threats and not summary executions. Your fears are the ones lucky enough to be considered silly, theirs are mortal panic.
- _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
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  - bigyabai 6mo ago
    "You see Timmy, your kneecaps are smashed because Mr. Nixon doesn't think you deserve free speech. Don't take it personally, and don't oppose us or your teeth are next." Which Timmy would you rather be?
    - _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
      Wild take but I condemn both. My nation removed Nixon in disgrace and we despise him almost universally. I condemn him and I condemn the horrible acts done by the United States. Do you not agree that supreme religious leaders shouldn't call for the death and destruction of entire societies ever? You can be against both.
      - za3faran 6mo ago
        No one called for the destruction of the american society as a whole, but trump did call for the erasion of their civilization. You're worried about words that are misinterpreted, while leaving the actual terrorism and death conducted by the US and israel and their supporters over the past decades. Remind me again, how much blood of millions do they literally have on their hands?
        _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
        "death to America". Crazy the gaslighting here. Iran has been loud and clear what they want, for 40 years. Also crazy that no one is willing to say "Supreme religious leaders should not call for the destruction of a society it is wrong they have done that for 40 years"
        _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
        Reminder 'death to America' is followed with 'death to Israel'. You can't gaslight that one away as 'Iran doesn't really want to destroy Israel'. And Iran considers Israel the small satan compared to the USA. So it is beyond ridiculous to claim the 'death to America' in 'death to America, death to Isreal' has a different meaning to Iranians from 'death to Israel'.
        za3faran 6mo ago
        Reminder: blood of millions on the hands of the US and israel. They're justified to react, just as how the people of many parts of West Asia and Africa reacted to their european colonizers.
        _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
        Wow, suddenly a dramatic shift from "Chants against the government, as they themselves have made clear, not against the individuals. " and "No one called for the destruction of the american society as a whole" when I point out they also call for death, (and very much mean death of a society) for Israel immediately after they call for death to America. Chants that the Islamic Republic of Iran and it's supreme religious leaders very much mean as the destruction of Israeli society as a whole. They are calling for death to Israel, and by extension that means they also literally mean death to the USA, and it is justified in your eyes. Religious leaders are justified to call for death in your eyes.
pazimzadeh 6mo ago
I don't think they care about you, your parents, your grandparents, or your friends unless your family was doing some nefarious things with regards to iran. > you see Timmy, some times religious leaders have to call for the death/destruction of a society because of something that happened 30-70 years earlier Asides from the fact there are Timmy's in Iran too, which I guess don't matter, are you applying the same logic to every conflict? e.g. Israel/Palestine
- _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
  When the Islamic Republic fo Iran calls for 'death to America, death to Israel' do they also not mean for death to Israel/Israelis? Do they simply want Israel to not do anything nefarious to Iran and they will stop chanting it? They seem very clear they want Israel gone. Their proxies thought Iran meant 'kill grandma' on Oct 7th. They videod it and shared it with the world. It would be odd if half of the chant 'death to America, death to Israel' meant something other than death for America, while the other half meant death to Israel, would it not? If I was to write 'death to Iran' here would you give me the such a benefit of the doubt? If the Pope was to chant it every weekend? Where did I say Iran/Iran's Timmy didn't matter? I said it didn't invalidate my lived experience. I said calling for revenge killing against entire societies is wrong, I said Iran's acts were also wrong. I gave their impact on me as a child and how it has shaped my views. I never said Iran's Timmy didn't matter. I never denied Iran Timmy's lived experience. I (unlike others here) never said a childhood lived experience is invalidated because reasons or historical context. Yes, they all can be evil and have deep impact, on all sides. What happened on Oct 7? Wrong. What happened in Gaza afterwards? Wrong. They can all be wrong. Do you agree? Oct 7th was wrong? What Israel did in Gaza was wrong? And calling for death to a country by anothers leaders/religious leaders, also wrong? Childhood lived experience is not wrong, is not evil on the child's part, it simply is. However religious leaders calling for death is ALWAYS wrong, yet no one here will agree to that, they simply give context for why it is ok.
  - pazimzadeh 6mo ago
    > Do you agree? Oct 7th was wrong? What Israel did in Gaza was wrong? And calling for death to a country by anothers leaders/religious leaders, also wrong? Yes. I agree. But I care way more about actions than words. There is way more Iranian blood on the hands of the US/Israel partners and allies (including Saddam Hussein and ISIS) than vice versa. Iran doesn’t have bases or any presence near US borders. Western powers have been playing puppet-master with Iran since the world wars. You keep talking about your childhood experience. It doesn’t move me. You can think of Iran having a disease, a recurrent infection of Islamism; I’m saying the medicine has caused more problems than anything else, strengthening resistance to antibiotics. And then you go back to “when I was little I was scared of getting sick.” Write that in your diary if you want but it’s not useful in our little debate. The mullahs use anti-American rhetoric because it is popular, and it is popular because it is justified if you take a hard look at history. You seem to think that if Iran’s government became secular they would automatically change their stance towards the US and Israel, and I disagree (assuming the secular government is a representative democracy). In fact the 2026 Iran war probably made sure of this for the next 30 years. You should find this interesting: https://x.com/tiberiusfiles/status/1926906215763693754?s=46 https://x.com/tiberiusfiles/status/1926906215763693754?s=46