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Where does TB5 come into all of this?

by brcmthrowaway 6mo ago

Neywiny 6mo ago
I don't see why it would. Thunderbolt is not a USB standard
- Kirby64 6mo ago
  Thunderbolt 5 and USB4v2 are the same thing now. They both support 80gbps and pcie pass through.
  - aleph_minus_one 6mo ago
    > Thunderbolt 5 and USB4v2 are the same thing now. They both support 80gbps and pcie pass through. Not completely true: Thunderbolt 5 demands some capabilities that are optional for USB4v2.
    - Kirby64 6mo ago
      From a protocol/bandwidth level, it’s essentially the same though. Thunderbolt 5 has some more guarantees for power and display, but the data rate of the two is the same.
- stevex 6mo ago
  Doesn't it run over a USB-C shaped wire? If you're trying to understand things that plug into USB-shaped ports it seems at least worth mentioning.
  - DiabloD3 6mo ago
    To be fair: You should refer to these as Type-C cables, as they carry things that are not USB protocol. The sole exception should be made for "charge only" cables, which can, and should, be referred to as "wired for USB 2.0". These cables "shouldn't" exist, but I also don't want to buy a $30 cable just to charge my phone.
- aleph_minus_one 6mo ago
  > Thunderbolt is not a USB standard Concerning Thunderbolt 3: USB4 is based on the Thunderbolt 3 protocol [1]. Concerning Thunderbolt 4: "In July 2020 Intel announced Thunderbolt 4 as an implementation of USB4 40 Gbit/s with additional requirements, such as mandatory backward compatibility to Thunderbolt 3 and requirement for smaller notebooks to support being charged over Thunderbolt 4 ports.[14] Publications such as AnandTech described Thunderbolt 4 as "superset of TB3 and USB4" and "able to accept TB4, TB3, USB4, and USB 3/2/1 connections"." [2] Concerning Thunderbolt 5: Intel considers Thunderbolt 5 as an implementation of USB4 Version 2.0. [3] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USB4&oldid=1347428772 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USB4&oldid=134742... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USB4&oldid=1347428772#USB4_Version_1.0 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USB4&oldid=134742... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USB4&oldid=1347428772#USB4_Version_2.0 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USB4&oldid=134742...
stackghost 6mo ago
Thunderbolt 5 is basically just PCI Express, power delivery, and DisplayPort over the same cable, which for reasons passing understanding is terminated with a USB-C connector. I think most of those cables will also support USB the protocol.
syhol 6mo ago
- Thunderbolt 3 is a superset of USB 3.1 - USB4 is built on Thunderbolt 3's protocol, implementing a subset of its mandatory features - Thunderbolt 4 is a strict profile of USB4 (all optional features made mandatory) - USB4 v2 introduced 80 Gbps signaling - Thunderbolt 5 is a strict profile of USB4 v2 (again, optional features made mandatory)

Where does TB5 come into all of this?

Neywiny 6mo ago

I don't see why it would. Thunderbolt is not a USB standard

Kirby64 6mo ago
Thunderbolt 5 and USB4v2 are the same thing now. They both support 80gbps and pcie pass through.
- aleph_minus_one 6mo ago
  > Thunderbolt 5 and USB4v2 are the same thing now. They both support 80gbps and pcie pass through. Not completely true: Thunderbolt 5 demands some capabilities that are optional for USB4v2.
  - Kirby64 6mo ago
    From a protocol/bandwidth level, it’s essentially the same though. Thunderbolt 5 has some more guarantees for power and display, but the data rate of the two is the same.
stevex 6mo ago
Doesn't it run over a USB-C shaped wire? If you're trying to understand things that plug into USB-shaped ports it seems at least worth mentioning.
- DiabloD3 6mo ago
  To be fair: You should refer to these as Type-C cables, as they carry things that are not USB protocol. The sole exception should be made for "charge only" cables, which can, and should, be referred to as "wired for USB 2.0". These cables "shouldn't" exist, but I also don't want to buy a $30 cable just to charge my phone.
aleph_minus_one 6mo ago
> Thunderbolt is not a USB standard Concerning Thunderbolt 3: USB4 is based on the Thunderbolt 3 protocol [1]. Concerning Thunderbolt 4: "In July 2020 Intel announced Thunderbolt 4 as an implementation of USB4 40 Gbit/s with additional requirements, such as mandatory backward compatibility to Thunderbolt 3 and requirement for smaller notebooks to support being charged over Thunderbolt 4 ports.[14] Publications such as AnandTech described Thunderbolt 4 as "superset of TB3 and USB4" and "able to accept TB4, TB3, USB4, and USB 3/2/1 connections"." [2] Concerning Thunderbolt 5: Intel considers Thunderbolt 5 as an implementation of USB4 Version 2.0. [3] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USB4&oldid=1347428772 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USB4&oldid=134742... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USB4&oldid=1347428772#USB4_Version_1.0 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USB4&oldid=134742... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USB4&oldid=1347428772#USB4_Version_2.0 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USB4&oldid=134742...

stackghost 6mo ago

Thunderbolt 5 is basically just PCI Express, power delivery, and DisplayPort over the same cable, which for reasons passing understanding is terminated with a USB-C connector. I think most of those cables will also support USB the protocol.

syhol 6mo ago

- Thunderbolt 3 is a superset of USB 3.1 - USB4 is built on Thunderbolt 3's protocol, implementing a subset of its mandatory features - Thunderbolt 4 is a strict profile of USB4 (all optional features made mandatory) - USB4 v2 introduced 80 Gbps signaling - Thunderbolt 5 is a strict profile of USB4 v2 (again, optional features made mandatory)