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I assume you’re being sarcastic but just in case: the goal of single payer healthcare isn’t to spend the least amount of money on healthcare. The goal of single
by fontain 6mo ago
I assume you’re being sarcastic but just in case: the goal of single payer healthcare isn’t to spend the least amount of money on healthcare. The goal of single payer healthcare is to guarantee everyone a minimum quality of life. You can believe that the minimum quality of life includes the option to engage in unprotected sex and sky diving.
- tt24 6mo agoI’m not being sarcastic. If you live in a society that chooses to force people to pay for other’s healthcare costs, you must support banning high risk behavior. Not out of frugality. It’s a simple issue of fairness. 5% of the healthcare consumers will result in 95% of the costs. Why is it fair that the 5% that choose to engage in high risk behavior are subsidized at the expense of the 95% that choose not to?
- fontain 6mo agoSociety is by definition “forcing” people to carry the burden of other’s choices. You’re drawing an entirely arbitrary line at direct taxation. Why is it “fair”? Because society isn’t zero sum. We each give and take in different ways.
- tt24 6mo agoNot sure how much a skydiving soda drinking drug user “””gives””” to society haha
- fontain 6mo agoYour perception of drug users is woefully out of date. The most “valuable” members of society by your metric (contributing tax dollars) are using a lot of drugs. The U.K. upper middle class are snorting so much coke.
- tt24 6mo agoSorry I don’t believe this
- newdee 6mo agoWhy not?
- tt24 6mo agoPersonal anecdotes and bias. I’ve never met anyone successful who regularly consumes drugs as serious as cocaine. At worst it’s marijuana, with minor experimentation with harder substances in college or on special occasions.
- fontain 6mo agoI can’t believe someone with so little life experience would speak so confidently. You don’t know any successful drug users?
- tt24 6mo agoNot habitual and not anything harder than marijuana no. I don’t believe that I have little life experience, I live in a wealthy part of the United States and my circle’s median income is in the 300s, so I think I have a pretty solid impression of the type of habits successful people engage in and don’t engage in
- t-3 6mo ago"Regularly" is doing a lot of work here. Plenty of rich and successful people dabble in drugs. People with any level of wealth who can function normally in society while habitually and regularly using any substance are pretty obviously much less likely to develop a habit in the first place.
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- mancerayder 6mo agoYou are already paying for other people's healthcare costs, whether it's private or public! If you pay for home insurance (you kind of have to unless you own your home outright or are renting), you're paying for other people's fire or water damage. And one day they might pay for yours. If there's a lot of fires or water damage, everyone's costs go up.
- tt24 6mo agoThat’s a consensual transaction that I choose to engage in. Doesn’t apply to single payer or the NHS
- saalweachter 6mo agoIf you are housed, you are almost certainly paying for home insurance, even if you rent.
- tt24 6mo ago1. Many landlords don’t require tenant’s insurance. 2. If you choose to get a mortgage you have to pay for homeowner’s insurance yes. You have the option to not get a mortgage if you prefer. Notice how in both of the above, there is no third party forcing me to pay for anybody’s bad choices.
- saalweachter 6mo agoYour landlord has insurance on the property. You are paying for it with your rent, just like you're paying property taxes.
- tt24 6mo agoHe’s welcome to pay for home insurance if he likes. That doesn’t mean I’m forced to pay for it. It’s like saying that I’m forced to pay for other people’s education because the Starbucks provides it as a benefit. Not really lol
- intended 6mo agoWhat is this comment? Yes, society curtails behaviors? We wear helmets and seatbelts? Insurance is entirely about paying a small amount so that the costs of being on the wrong side of bad luck doesn’t pauper your citizenry. A single payer system wildly reduces the amount that has to be paid, while increasing service outcomes since now you can negotiate with drug companies. I would happily pay for that kind of system as well, because I am happy to ensure that the rest of the nation is better off.
- tt24 6mo agoClose! Insurance is a transaction I consent to engaging in, but a single payer system is not that.
- intended 6mo agoBut… wait… what? Based on you what you say… why do you put money into an insurance system? It sounds like you want to make the most rational choice, but you are working off of a model of insurance that doesn’t make sense. The maximally effective version, with the least cost, and greatest coverage is one that distributes costs across the largest pool of individuals. Which is a single payer system.
- tt24 6mo agoI put money into an insurance system to diffuse risk away from myself. > The maximally effective version, with the least cost, and greatest coverage It would be even more effective to just enslave a bunch of people and force them to pay for my healthcare, but I don’t advocate for that because it’s immoral and unfair.