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I feel like that isn’t exactly a very useful definition of plaintext. If you mean “ASCII” say ASCII. Plain text is text intended to be interpreted as bytes tha

by d-us-vb 5mo ago

I feel like that isn’t exactly a very useful definition of plaintext. If you mean “ASCII” say ASCII. Plain text is text intended to be interpreted as bytes that map simply to characters. Complexity is irrelevant.

carra 5mo ago
Unfortunately no, Unicode is not simply a mapping of bytes to characters. It is a mapping of numbers to code points, and in some cases you can even get the same characters with multiple code point sequences (not a very good mapping!). Then you need to convert numbers to bytes, so aside from Unicode you also need an encoding. And there are multiple choices. So what would be "plain text" then? UTF-16? UTF-8? If so, with or without BOM? It can't be all of them. For something to really be "plain text" it has to be the same thing to everyone...
- zzo38computer 5mo ago
  > Unfortunately no, Unicode is not simply a mapping of bytes to characters. It is a mapping of numbers to code points, and in some cases you can even get the same characters with multiple code point sequences (not a very good mapping!). It is worse than that; you can also get different characters with the same code points, and also same code points and characters that should be different according to some uses, and also different code points and characters that should be same according to some uses, etc.
ButlerianJihad 5mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaintext https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaintext With the advent of computing, the term plaintext expanded beyond human-readable documents to mean any data, including binary files, in a form that can be viewed or used without requiring a key or other decryption device. Information—a message, document, file, etc.—if to be communicated or stored in an unencrypted form is referred to as plaintext. https://csrc.nist.gov/glossary/term/plaintext https://csrc.nist.gov/glossary/term/plaintext Unencrypted information that may be input to an encryption operation. Note: Plain text is not a synonym for clear text. See clear text. Intelligible data that has meaning and can be understood without the application of decryption.

by d-us-vb 5mo ago

carra 5mo ago

Unfortunately no, Unicode is not simply a mapping of bytes to characters. It is a mapping of numbers to code points, and in some cases you can even get the same characters with multiple code point sequences (not a very good mapping!). Then you need to convert numbers to bytes, so aside from Unicode you also need an encoding. And there are multiple choices. So what would be "plain text" then? UTF-16? UTF-8? If so, with or without BOM? It can't be all of them. For something to really be "plain text" it has to be the same thing to everyone...

zzo38computer 5mo ago
> Unfortunately no, Unicode is not simply a mapping of bytes to characters. It is a mapping of numbers to code points, and in some cases you can even get the same characters with multiple code point sequences (not a very good mapping!). It is worse than that; you can also get different characters with the same code points, and also same code points and characters that should be different according to some uses, and also different code points and characters that should be same according to some uses, etc.

ButlerianJihad 5mo ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaintext https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaintext With the advent of computing, the term plaintext expanded beyond human-readable documents to mean any data, including binary files, in a form that can be viewed or used without requiring a key or other decryption device. Information—a message, document, file, etc.—if to be communicated or stored in an unencrypted form is referred to as plaintext. https://csrc.nist.gov/glossary/term/plaintext https://csrc.nist.gov/glossary/term/plaintext Unencrypted information that may be input to an encryption operation. Note: Plain text is not a synonym for clear text. See clear text. Intelligible data that has meaning and can be understood without the application of decryption.