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Can you give an example for this?

john_strinlai 6mo ago
"Parental responsibility laws in all 50 states" https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/PARENTAL-RESPONSIBILITY-LAWS-CHART.pdf https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/PARENTAL-... an excerpt from above: "Almost every state has some sort of parental responsibility law that holds parents or legal guardians responsible for property damage, personal injury, theft, shoplifting, and/or vandalism resulting from intentional or willful acts of their un-emancipated children." "Parental responsibility laws are one vehicle by which parents are held accountable for at least a minimal amount of damage caused by their children as a result of intentional acts or vandalism"
- wrs 6mo ago
  Using social media is not a crime. I think what we’re talking about here is child welfare or child protection laws (which all 50 states probably also have).
  - john_strinlai 6mo ago
    if disallowing social media use below the age of 16 becomes a law (like the article's proposed bill), and a kid breaks that law, this seems like a perfect example of holding the parents liable? but also yes, child welfare laws and such are also pretty fitting examples. i dont think the person asking for an example was really asking in good faith, anyhow.
    - kieranmaine 6mo ago
      My understanding in this case the social media company is liable for allowing a child to access social media. So is not a crime for a child to use social media. > Children cannot be left with the responsibility for staying away from platforms they are not allowed to use. That responsibility rests with the companies providing these services. They must implement effective age verification and comply with the law from day one From the original press release https://www.regjeringen.no/en/whats-new/norwegian-social-media-age-restrictions-law-on-track-to-be-introduced-this-year-this-is-how-the-age-limit-for-social-media-will-work/id3157276/ https://www.regjeringen.no/en/whats-new/norwegian-social-med...
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      - john_strinlai 6mo ago
        sure, that sounds right for how it is currently. my parenthesis above is probably wrong. but the whole point of my example was showing that its absolutely possible to hold parents accountable for their childs actions. there are dozens of laws that do so already. so there is no excuse why a social media ban could not be written in the same fashion as those laws, rather than moving parental responsibility onto tech companies.
        wrs 6mo ago
        Laws hold parents accountable for their childrens' crimes, not their noncriminal actions. Nothing about this is saying that accessing social media is a crime -- that would be more similar to drug possession laws, firearms licensing, etc. If your child is drinking: they are violating the alcohol possession age limit themselves; you are liable for their crime plus child endangerment if you gave them the alcohol; and whoever sold or supplied them the alcohol is violating a separate law. Sounds like we're trying to apply the same structure to social media, except (so far) with no possession/usage law.
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- contagiousflow 6mo ago
  I don't really see how that is relevant? Isn't that law making a parent responsible for actions their child commits that hurt others? Child protection laws like preventing child labour, not selling alcohol/cigarettes, etc aren't this.
  - john_strinlai 6mo ago
    how is it not relevant? its an example of holding the parent responsible when the child breaks a law. if accessing social media below 16 becomes illegal, this is a literal perfect example of holding parents accountable for their kids illegal activity. you can't possibly get more relevant. there is no reason to shift parental responsibility onto tech companies. we have existing laws that can be used as templates for social media bans.
    - contagiousflow 6mo ago
      Correct me if the US is different, but in the country I live in the onus is on the bar or liquor store if they sell alcohol to a child, not on the parent. Why would it be different for a social media ban?
      - john_strinlai 6mo ago
        in your country, who is responsible if a 12 year old keeps getting drunk at home and the parents do nothing to prevent it? do they go after the liquor store and just ignore the parents letting their kids drink?
        contagiousflow 6mo ago
        Oh man where I'm from they'd probably just laugh and put them to bed. jkjk To be honest I did some brief searching and couldn't find anything! The parent will be liable if someone at your home drinks and drives home drunk, but I couldn't find anything specific about children consuming alcohol alone. It is only illegal to sell alcohol to minor, underage alcohol consumption is explicitly legal if supplied and supervised by an adult. Now I'm sure if the child were to be young enough other child abuse laws could come into play, but it looks to be exceedingly rare.

"Parental responsibility laws in all 50 states" https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/PARENTAL-RESPONSIBILITY-LAWS-CHART.pdf https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/PARENTAL-... an excerpt from above: "Almost every state has some sort of parental responsibility law that holds parents or legal guardians responsible for property damage, personal injury, theft, shoplifting, and/or vandalism resulting from intentional or willful acts of their un-emancipated children." "Parental responsibility laws are one vehicle by which parents are held accountable for at least a minimal amount of damage caused by their children as a result of intentional acts or vandalism"

wrs 6mo ago
Using social media is not a crime. I think what we’re talking about here is child welfare or child protection laws (which all 50 states probably also have).
- john_strinlai 6mo ago
  if disallowing social media use below the age of 16 becomes a law (like the article's proposed bill), and a kid breaks that law, this seems like a perfect example of holding the parents liable? but also yes, child welfare laws and such are also pretty fitting examples. i dont think the person asking for an example was really asking in good faith, anyhow.
  - kieranmaine 6mo ago
    My understanding in this case the social media company is liable for allowing a child to access social media. So is not a crime for a child to use social media. > Children cannot be left with the responsibility for staying away from platforms they are not allowed to use. That responsibility rests with the companies providing these services. They must implement effective age verification and comply with the law from day one From the original press release https://www.regjeringen.no/en/whats-new/norwegian-social-media-age-restrictions-law-on-track-to-be-introduced-this-year-this-is-how-the-age-limit-for-social-media-will-work/id3157276/ https://www.regjeringen.no/en/whats-new/norwegian-social-med...
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    - john_strinlai 6mo ago
      sure, that sounds right for how it is currently. my parenthesis above is probably wrong. but the whole point of my example was showing that its absolutely possible to hold parents accountable for their childs actions. there are dozens of laws that do so already. so there is no excuse why a social media ban could not be written in the same fashion as those laws, rather than moving parental responsibility onto tech companies.
      - wrs 6mo ago
        Laws hold parents accountable for their childrens' crimes, not their noncriminal actions. Nothing about this is saying that accessing social media is a crime -- that would be more similar to drug possession laws, firearms licensing, etc. If your child is drinking: they are violating the alcohol possession age limit themselves; you are liable for their crime plus child endangerment if you gave them the alcohol; and whoever sold or supplied them the alcohol is violating a separate law. Sounds like we're trying to apply the same structure to social media, except (so far) with no possession/usage law.
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contagiousflow 6mo ago
I don't really see how that is relevant? Isn't that law making a parent responsible for actions their child commits that hurt others? Child protection laws like preventing child labour, not selling alcohol/cigarettes, etc aren't this.
- john_strinlai 6mo ago
  how is it not relevant? its an example of holding the parent responsible when the child breaks a law. if accessing social media below 16 becomes illegal, this is a literal perfect example of holding parents accountable for their kids illegal activity. you can't possibly get more relevant. there is no reason to shift parental responsibility onto tech companies. we have existing laws that can be used as templates for social media bans.
  - contagiousflow 6mo ago
    Correct me if the US is different, but in the country I live in the onus is on the bar or liquor store if they sell alcohol to a child, not on the parent. Why would it be different for a social media ban?
    - john_strinlai 6mo ago
      in your country, who is responsible if a 12 year old keeps getting drunk at home and the parents do nothing to prevent it? do they go after the liquor store and just ignore the parents letting their kids drink?
      - contagiousflow 6mo ago
        Oh man where I'm from they'd probably just laugh and put them to bed. jkjk To be honest I did some brief searching and couldn't find anything! The parent will be liable if someone at your home drinks and drives home drunk, but I couldn't find anything specific about children consuming alcohol alone. It is only illegal to sell alcohol to minor, underage alcohol consumption is explicitly legal if supplied and supervised by an adult. Now I'm sure if the child were to be young enough other child abuse laws could come into play, but it looks to be exceedingly rare.