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>- it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. I feel uneasy over China dominance as much as the US. I trust US more still as Europe has a post
by Scroll_Swe 6mo ago
>- it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart.
I feel uneasy over China dominance as much as the US.
I trust US more still as Europe has a post WW2 relationship. I notice many comments being pro China but they seem to be from the third world (one mentioned a very low salary) I feel the opening of the internet was a mistake.
China is a totilitarian dictatorship. This is a fact.
Look into Mistral AI too :)
For context, I am Swedish.
Yes this is a new account, please focus on the content.
- bigyabai 6mo agoFWIW, I am a lifelong American citizen and I exclusively use Chinese AI models for programming because I consider Claude and Codex to be highway robbery for the price. Trust whoever you want, I just don't have the patience (or money) for American models.
- riskd 6mo agoAre third world users opinions of lesser value?
- Scroll_Swe 6mo agoWhen people from developing countries praise China and communism while criticizing the United States and claiming “Europe is the same,” I find it hard to take their views seriously. I think their stance often comes from a strong anti-Western bias, and sometimes from feelings of resentment.
- bigyabai 6mo agoIt truly depends on perspective. I can think of a lot of nations that are rightfully critical of American leadership, especially economically. Investment vehicles like data science and cryptocurrency has given the United States a reputation for spinning fake technology out of thin air. Chinese LLMs positively contribute to the market economy and incentivize American AI businesses to work harder. I take these concerns seriously as a voting American. My 401k is worthless if the US continues to reward anticompetitive monopolies.
- idiotsecant 6mo agoThe third world has the hustle and vitality that the US is slowly losing. We ignore that at our own peril.
- volkk 6mo agoHustle and vitality borne out of generally horrible conditions. I'll take what the "first world" has any day.
- Rooster61 6mo agoHard times make for strong men (and women)... This might be cliche, but it has truth to it. Nothing drives production and innovation quite like scarcity and financial adversity.
- volkk 6mo agoYep. And then it reverses, and then again, and again...
- falcor84 6mo agoWell, that is what's in the ellipsis in the parent's quote: "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times" G. Michael Hopf
- volkk 6mo agoI know thanks. i was mostly just replying to the last sentence of their comment like in a conversation
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- nixon_why69 6mo agoIs it possible that you're missing something or not fully understanding their viewpoint?
- glenstein 6mo agoCertainly, just as much is true in reverse, or in every direction for that matter, which is why we end up falling back to substance.
- nixon_why69 6mo agoIt's not nearly as true in the other direction, because American culture and media are everywhere. The fact that they know more about you than you do about them should give you hints that you're missing some substance.
- sublimee 6mo agoAs someone coming from the Second world (Eastern Bloc), lived in the First world (Western Europe) and now living in the Third World (SEA Tropics), I'd say that in my opinion, a lot of the Westeners are so inherently arrogant that they don't even realize that. Some of these people would rather die from own arrogance, rather than imagining the other point of view.
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- 0rzech 6mo agoQ.E.D. :)
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- glenstein 6mo agoAre there distinct third world opinions in one direction or the other? I've tended to assume they are non-unitary rather than broadly converging on one side or the other.
- GorbachevyChase 6mo agoCome on, Sweden isn’t quite a 3rd world country.
- 0x737368 6mo agoAnd then westerners wonder why they're disliked in the rest of the world...
- pb7 6mo agoYou are on a Western website.
- idiotsecant 6mo agoThere is not such a thing. That's the point. Everyone is welcome on the internet, where information wants to be free. I still believe that, even if it is no longer fashionable.
- nozzlegear 6mo ago> Everyone is welcome on the internet, where information wants to be free. Well, except in some countries where they wall themselves off from everyone else.
- subw00f 6mo agoOh yeah? Weird. I just went into Zhihu, read a few posts, commented on others. I guess the Chinese communist party will poison me anytime soon.
- nozzlegear 6mo agoNice! Now go on Zhihu and ask someone in China to do the same with Facebook or Twitter, sans VPN.
- bilbo0s 6mo agoWhat's that got to do with them not liking us? Serious question. Studying adversaries is, generally speaking, accepted military wisdom among the commissioned ranks of most of the planet's armies.
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- platinumrad 6mo ago> I notice many comments being pro China but they seem to be from the third world (one mentioned a very low salary) I feel the opening of the internet was a mistake. Yeah, I also really hate when poor people think they're allowed to talk.
- hnsdev 6mo agoI don't see any sense in trusting the US more than China. There are arguably as many arguments to say the US is horrible as the current dominant country as China would be. If anything, a multipolar world would be more positive, specially to the EU, as currently the EU is just US's bitch, and has to live by appeasing Mr. Donny, as done in the stupid trade deal signed by Von Der Leyen. Also, feeling the opening of the internet as a mistake show the degree of your ignorance, people from third world countries also have the right to speak as much as you do, your opinion is not more valid than anyone else's. For context, I am Italian-Brazilian, so I pretty much have been exposed to both sides (western and non-western, even though we can argue that Brazil is more west aligned).
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- tigershark 6mo agoChina never threatened this: "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again.". Also China never announced that it was going to attack Europe. I trust them much more compared to a malignant narcissist that doesn't care if the whole world burns now that he doesn't have much left to live.
- nozzlegear 6mo agoXi Jinping really doesn't have to do anything but sit back and let Trump make a pro-China argument for him. It's like that "Do Nothing, win" meme: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/352/212/95b.jpg https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/352/212/95b...
- shimman 6mo agoHonestly the China scare mongering is borderline hilarious. The US has literally attacked two countries this year in the span of weeks and is blockading another causing needless deaths. Not too mention the last 50 years of US imperialism making the world a worse place for everyone, except to benefit the few (doesn't benefit Americans, only capitalists). The idea that China is worse than America is laughable. LMK when China invades 5 countries in a span of 20 years unimpeded by anyone else in the world and maybe I'll be scared. Until then it's quite clear how consumers benefit from actual competition and it's not because of the US. Also you saying you trust the US when they just threatened to invade Greenland (a threat so credible that Denmark was planning a full scale resistance against US troops). Sorry but the curtains are truly coming down and the US will become one of the most hated nations in the world while 100s of millions will needlessly starve and die because of the actions of Americans that simply don't give a fuck. FWIW, I'm not just talking about Trump either. Democratic politicians are just as much to blame, they champion corporatism and imperialism as much as Republicans and the only issues D leadership seems to have is that the "right process" wasn't being followed. I say this as someone who is a literal democratic operative within the party.
- avazhi 6mo agoDid you miss the part where Iran spent the past 50 years promising to develop nuclear weapons and then use them on both Israel and America, or do just choose to conveniently ignore that when you go on rants like this? In one of the last rounds of talks before the war Kushner and Witkoff offered Iran free nuclear fuel in perpetuity in exchange for the weapons grade uranium and got turned down, so clearly the Iranians weren’t just bluffing. This war could have been handled much differently and better, but acting like America attacked Iran for no reason is laughable. It is in fact America’s inexplicable reticence to kill Iranian civilians that is the reason this is going on for this long. America could have ended this in a few days if it had stopped worrying about being criticised by the rest of the world that hates it anyway. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-war.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-wa...
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- pckd 6mo agoThere is no morality at Country level. The talk about values, morality, just world is only a lip service and pretty much every smart person knows this. If you still want to hold a country for moral standards, our own dear USA's standards would be pathetically low. One example - we force and demand every other country to use USD as the reserve currency. If anyone considers the alternative, we follow the usual routines (bombing, hacking, kidnapping, Tarrifs, coercing, currency sabotage, etc). If two countries in some remote corner of world want to exchange goods and transact in their own local currency, what legal rights does the USA have to stop it and force them to use USD? and punish them if they do not listen? Just because we are aligned with Western Europe, do not assume moral high grounds.
- nozzlegear 6mo ago> If two countries in some remote corner of world want to exchange goods and transact in their own local currency, what legal rights does the USA have to stop it and force them to use USD? China and Russia trade in yuan and rubles. India and Russia do oil deals in rupees. China and Brazil trade in yuan. The US hasn't bombed any of them.
- pckd 6mo agoYes, we have not' bombed them because they are too big. But, we tried every other option. Pressurize them, sanction them. US Treasury even targeted the ships used for their trade, blocked insurance companies from insuring the route, targeted banks/people/entities for sanctions and did all sort of underground dirty work. Because of all this, the India-Iran oil deal is only intermittent, not continuous. There are windows of time where India/Iran are permitted to trade oil. Similar stories involving Russia. Their Stablecoin exchanges get hacked, people disappear. If you dig deeper, you will know more about SWIFT, Plaza Accord and other ways of how USA bullies the world. Can you tell any smaller/weaker neighboring countries trading in their own local currency? Can Vietnam trade with Cambodia skipping the USD? not just for denominations, but the actual trade itself.
- Der_Einzige 6mo agoOpening of the internet WAS a mistake. During times when whole countries (you know which ones) get geoblocked, the internet (especially online gaming) gets a lot better.
- torginus 6mo agoThe content we see here is that you are Swedish. I am not sure what sort of moral, technical, financial authority are we supposed to be deriving from this. Dont get me wrong, Sweden is a cool country, but still my point stands.