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Killing children is costly business.

_DeadFred_ 6mo ago
Especially when you use smart weapons to try to minimize it from happening as collatoral damage (though that doesn't change the awefulness when a school seems to have wrongly been targeted, smart weapons are only as good as their target information). It's much cheaper to just gun down 30,000 protestors in the street protesting that they don't want to be raped by Islamic religious morality police if they don't wear hats. Or to just fire missiles randomly at civilian areas such as the one that resulted in 11 year old Nesia Karadi dying today from the sever wounds she sustained from Iran's missiles fired into Israeli civilian areas.
- tastyface 6mo ago
  "A whole civilization will die tonight"
  - _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
    Did it actually happen or was it failed Trump negotiating bluster? My entire life Iran/Shia leaders have called for my and all my nations deaths and the destruction of my entire country/civilization. I remember being terrified as a kid seeing the news, seeing video of a whole nation chanting for me and my families death, for death to American civilization, tied with hostage taking, bombings, kidnapping, parading of missiles. 60 minutes used to have stories on Iran's hatred and desire for the American civilizations destruction all the time. It greatly shaped my view of Islam (though now I understand it was just Shia islam).
    - pazimzadeh 5mo ago
      could say the same thing about "Death to America." did it happen or is it just bluster? > though now I understand it was just Shia islam have you heard of 9/11 you're lazy
      - _DeadFred_ 5mo ago
        >could say the same thing about "Death to America." did it happen or is it just bluster? Ding ding ding. Amen brother, you understand the point I was making. 'It didn't happen so that isn't what he called for, it was bluster' is a bullshit defense/justification for calling for the death of entire societies by those in power. Imagine waiving away what trump said, the calling for the death of a society, as harmless rhetoric or justifying his reason for doing so. 9/11 happened after my childhood and was not conducted by a supreme Islamic leader, why would it be relevant to what I wrote? The events I wrote about were all at the direction/teachings of some of the most supreme shia Islamic leaders, Bin Laden was a spoiled rich boy not a lifelong Islamic leader/teacher/researcher like Iran's mullahs. It's best to differentiate groups and not generalize about religions/people/groups down that path often lies justification for evil. If I see religious leaders/scholars/teachers it makes me wonder about the religion/church/sect/cult. If I see a school shooter, it makes me wonder at my nation's rotten core and how can I fix that, not the shooters motivation. The multiple personal attacks you have done and your cross examine writing style are a violation of HN guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        pazimzadeh 5mo ago
        > Amen brother, you understand the point I was making No, I took your comment literally..and even if it was sarcastic I agree with it. It's like in the Art of War. Those who are strong don't need to say anything, and those who are weak bluster. Trump found himself in a weak position but wanted to look strong. Same thing with the mullahs over the years. Predictably once they felt their military capabilities were strong enough, they mellowed their rhetoric: It is also clear that “Death to America” does not mean death to the people of America. The people of America are like other peoples. It means death to American policies and to arrogance. https://english.khamenei.ir/news/2298/Death-to-America-means-death-to-American-policies-and-arrogance https://english.khamenei.ir/news/2298/Death-to-America-means... > 9/11 happened after my childhood and was not conducted by a supreme Islamic leader, why would it be relevant to what I wrote? Sorry, I don't get your point. First, the whole world doesn't revolve around your childhood, and foreign policy is not based on your childhood. This is really getting tedious. Am I supposed to also only care about things that happened when I was a child? Ok, well as a french-iranian person in the US I received hate from actual people in real life, being called a terrorist, etc, and it only got worse when France rejected the premise of the Iraq war. Republicans started boycotting anything french, breaking wine bottles, etc. My dad's french-iranian restaurant had its windows broken when when this was happening. You don't hear me mentioning it in every comment. Did anything bad actually happen to you? For all I know you were a spoiled kid who watched too much TV and weren't brought up to question what you were told. Second, are you actually saying that calls for destruction of the US from religious extremists are only concerning if the leader was not well off? When Khomeini didn't even grow up poor at all? It doesn't add up. The reason it's relevant is because you implied that the primary threat is from Shia islam, even though the vast majority of and most damaging attacks against the US were not by Shias. I haven't read the HN guidelines in a while looks like I do violate a couple, like calling out people for commenting before reading an article. That should be table stakes, I think. I also have a low tolerance for people seemingly playing dumb, and am guilty of snark for sure. I'm not really sure how to interpret the 'cross-examination style' thing in practice, but you're definitely not following this guideline: Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize Here's your violation sir: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47911155 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47911155 Do bear with me a moment while I sort your paperwork
- DrProtic 6mo ago
  We have a lot of videos of protests in Iran yet no videos of mass killings whatsoever. 30k murders is the same as Iraq’s WMD but people are too gullible to see that. I see how smart those bombs are in Iran and Lebanon, they are able to surgically destroy whole residential buildings.
  - _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
    https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010723018/iran-protests-doctors-images.html https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010723018/iran-p... Amnesty International https://amnesty.ca/urgent-actions/iran-thousands-of-protest-detainees-at-risk-of-torture/ https://amnesty.ca/urgent-actions/iran-thousands-of-protest-... United Nations Report https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements-and-speeches/2026/03/statement-sara-hossain-chair-independent-international-fact-finding https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements-and-speeches/2026/03/sta... From a less reputable source: https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/iranian-nurse-protesters-reportedly-killed-violated-regime/ https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/iranian-nurse-protesters... The regime admits 3,000. According to human rights group tracking numbers the regime reports about 10% of it's political executions, so following that 30,000 would be about right. There were lots of morgue videos with mass deaths. There were videos of large crowds fleeing as gunshots are fired. There were videos of men on rooftops firing into crowds. What exact videos are you looing for? There are reports by family of doctors/nurses them being taking away. Of them being killed. Destroying 1 building is much better than the random cluster bomb dispersal over whole neighborhoods that Iran is doing. Your response of just using an ad hominem calling me gullible and providing zero information to back up the name calling up is not in line with the HN community guidelines though I understand the guidelines deliberately aren't enforced in the normal way and exceptions are made for one side's narrative of the ongoing mideast crisis.
    - DrProtic 6mo ago
      None of your sources display any kind of evidence whatsoever. Where are videos of police opening fire on protesters? 30K deaths and not a single video circling around? How’s that possible? X-Ray? Really?! All you posted is “report says”. Again, just like “report said” there were WMD.
- za3faran 6mo ago
  We don't even know if that number is correct (the 30k protesters, especially given the heavy mossad invovlement), but let's pretend to care about human life and kill even more. Didn't trump threaten to wipe out an entire civilization?
  - _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
    https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010723018/iran-protests-doctors-images.html https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010723018/iran-p... Amnesty International https://amnesty.ca/urgent-actions/iran-thousands-of-protest-detainees-at-risk-of-torture/ https://amnesty.ca/urgent-actions/iran-thousands-of-protest-... United Nations Report https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements-and-speeches/2026/03/statement-sara-hossain-chair-independent-international-fact-finding https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements-and-speeches/2026/03/sta... From a less reputable source: https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/iranian-nurse-protesters-reportedly-killed-violated-regime/ https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/iranian-nurse-protesters... The regime reported 3000. According to human rights agencies Iran normally reports 10% of their political executions so going by history (and ignoring the people stating 30,000 is correct), extrapolating from regime numbers and human rights groups analysis 30,000 would match historical numbers. I don't know what your mossad comment has to do with anything. Seems like 'the Gaza Health Ministry is Hamas' level hand waiving away of senseless amounts of civilian death. I'm sorry but are you equating Trump hyperbole resulting in nothing as equal to the actual murder of 3000-30000 civilian protestors who just didn't want a government that raped/murdered people for choosing not to follow a religion's morality laws?
    - DrProtic 6mo ago
      I’m sure destroying their civilization will help them a lot.
      - _DeadFred_ 5mo ago
        The Islamic Republic of Iran has called for and acted towards/funded the destruction of the American people, my civilization, my family, for the last 40+ years, held mass protests of hate towards us continually. Boo hoo that rhetoric towards them from my side came close to the very much not rhetoric but moral/religious position they have vocally held, marched in support of, taught their children in school for 40+ years. The Islamic Republic of Iran has a government built billboard in their capital with a countdown to their desired destruction of another nation as well. Give me a break with the one sided moral outrage. Iran/Iranians want me, my parents, my children dead. They have shouted this loudly for 40+ years. I grew up afraid of Islam, seeing the head of a religion and also leader of a nation that hated me calling for my and my families deaths. The head of a religion calling for the execution of people like Rushdie, simply for writing a book. I on the other hand just want Iranians to not be raped/murdered for their choice in hats. I have never seen/attended a rally that chanted 'death to Iran'. A huge part of my country's last election was talk on 'Americans don't want war with Iran'. Has ANY government approved Iranian moderate ran on 'we don't want death to America'?

Especially when you use smart weapons to try to minimize it from happening as collatoral damage (though that doesn't change the awefulness when a school seems to have wrongly been targeted, smart weapons are only as good as their target information). It's much cheaper to just gun down 30,000 protestors in the street protesting that they don't want to be raped by Islamic religious morality police if they don't wear hats. Or to just fire missiles randomly at civilian areas such as the one that resulted in 11 year old Nesia Karadi dying today from the sever wounds she sustained from Iran's missiles fired into Israeli civilian areas.

tastyface 6mo ago
"A whole civilization will die tonight"
- _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
  Did it actually happen or was it failed Trump negotiating bluster? My entire life Iran/Shia leaders have called for my and all my nations deaths and the destruction of my entire country/civilization. I remember being terrified as a kid seeing the news, seeing video of a whole nation chanting for me and my families death, for death to American civilization, tied with hostage taking, bombings, kidnapping, parading of missiles. 60 minutes used to have stories on Iran's hatred and desire for the American civilizations destruction all the time. It greatly shaped my view of Islam (though now I understand it was just Shia islam).
  - pazimzadeh 5mo ago
    could say the same thing about "Death to America." did it happen or is it just bluster? > though now I understand it was just Shia islam have you heard of 9/11 you're lazy
    - _DeadFred_ 5mo ago
      >could say the same thing about "Death to America." did it happen or is it just bluster? Ding ding ding. Amen brother, you understand the point I was making. 'It didn't happen so that isn't what he called for, it was bluster' is a bullshit defense/justification for calling for the death of entire societies by those in power. Imagine waiving away what trump said, the calling for the death of a society, as harmless rhetoric or justifying his reason for doing so. 9/11 happened after my childhood and was not conducted by a supreme Islamic leader, why would it be relevant to what I wrote? The events I wrote about were all at the direction/teachings of some of the most supreme shia Islamic leaders, Bin Laden was a spoiled rich boy not a lifelong Islamic leader/teacher/researcher like Iran's mullahs. It's best to differentiate groups and not generalize about religions/people/groups down that path often lies justification for evil. If I see religious leaders/scholars/teachers it makes me wonder about the religion/church/sect/cult. If I see a school shooter, it makes me wonder at my nation's rotten core and how can I fix that, not the shooters motivation. The multiple personal attacks you have done and your cross examine writing style are a violation of HN guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - pazimzadeh 5mo ago
        > Amen brother, you understand the point I was making No, I took your comment literally..and even if it was sarcastic I agree with it. It's like in the Art of War. Those who are strong don't need to say anything, and those who are weak bluster. Trump found himself in a weak position but wanted to look strong. Same thing with the mullahs over the years. Predictably once they felt their military capabilities were strong enough, they mellowed their rhetoric: It is also clear that “Death to America” does not mean death to the people of America. The people of America are like other peoples. It means death to American policies and to arrogance. https://english.khamenei.ir/news/2298/Death-to-America-means-death-to-American-policies-and-arrogance https://english.khamenei.ir/news/2298/Death-to-America-means... > 9/11 happened after my childhood and was not conducted by a supreme Islamic leader, why would it be relevant to what I wrote? Sorry, I don't get your point. First, the whole world doesn't revolve around your childhood, and foreign policy is not based on your childhood. This is really getting tedious. Am I supposed to also only care about things that happened when I was a child? Ok, well as a french-iranian person in the US I received hate from actual people in real life, being called a terrorist, etc, and it only got worse when France rejected the premise of the Iraq war. Republicans started boycotting anything french, breaking wine bottles, etc. My dad's french-iranian restaurant had its windows broken when when this was happening. You don't hear me mentioning it in every comment. Did anything bad actually happen to you? For all I know you were a spoiled kid who watched too much TV and weren't brought up to question what you were told. Second, are you actually saying that calls for destruction of the US from religious extremists are only concerning if the leader was not well off? When Khomeini didn't even grow up poor at all? It doesn't add up. The reason it's relevant is because you implied that the primary threat is from Shia islam, even though the vast majority of and most damaging attacks against the US were not by Shias. I haven't read the HN guidelines in a while looks like I do violate a couple, like calling out people for commenting before reading an article. That should be table stakes, I think. I also have a low tolerance for people seemingly playing dumb, and am guilty of snark for sure. I'm not really sure how to interpret the 'cross-examination style' thing in practice, but you're definitely not following this guideline: Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize Here's your violation sir: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47911155 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47911155 Do bear with me a moment while I sort your paperwork
DrProtic 6mo ago
We have a lot of videos of protests in Iran yet no videos of mass killings whatsoever. 30k murders is the same as Iraq’s WMD but people are too gullible to see that. I see how smart those bombs are in Iran and Lebanon, they are able to surgically destroy whole residential buildings.
- _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
  https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010723018/iran-protests-doctors-images.html https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010723018/iran-p... Amnesty International https://amnesty.ca/urgent-actions/iran-thousands-of-protest-detainees-at-risk-of-torture/ https://amnesty.ca/urgent-actions/iran-thousands-of-protest-... United Nations Report https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements-and-speeches/2026/03/statement-sara-hossain-chair-independent-international-fact-finding https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements-and-speeches/2026/03/sta... From a less reputable source: https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/iranian-nurse-protesters-reportedly-killed-violated-regime/ https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/iranian-nurse-protesters... The regime admits 3,000. According to human rights group tracking numbers the regime reports about 10% of it's political executions, so following that 30,000 would be about right. There were lots of morgue videos with mass deaths. There were videos of large crowds fleeing as gunshots are fired. There were videos of men on rooftops firing into crowds. What exact videos are you looing for? There are reports by family of doctors/nurses them being taking away. Of them being killed. Destroying 1 building is much better than the random cluster bomb dispersal over whole neighborhoods that Iran is doing. Your response of just using an ad hominem calling me gullible and providing zero information to back up the name calling up is not in line with the HN community guidelines though I understand the guidelines deliberately aren't enforced in the normal way and exceptions are made for one side's narrative of the ongoing mideast crisis.
  - DrProtic 6mo ago
    None of your sources display any kind of evidence whatsoever. Where are videos of police opening fire on protesters? 30K deaths and not a single video circling around? How’s that possible? X-Ray? Really?! All you posted is “report says”. Again, just like “report said” there were WMD.
za3faran 6mo ago
We don't even know if that number is correct (the 30k protesters, especially given the heavy mossad invovlement), but let's pretend to care about human life and kill even more. Didn't trump threaten to wipe out an entire civilization?
- _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
  https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010723018/iran-protests-doctors-images.html https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010723018/iran-p... Amnesty International https://amnesty.ca/urgent-actions/iran-thousands-of-protest-detainees-at-risk-of-torture/ https://amnesty.ca/urgent-actions/iran-thousands-of-protest-... United Nations Report https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements-and-speeches/2026/03/statement-sara-hossain-chair-independent-international-fact-finding https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements-and-speeches/2026/03/sta... From a less reputable source: https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/iranian-nurse-protesters-reportedly-killed-violated-regime/ https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/iranian-nurse-protesters... The regime reported 3000. According to human rights agencies Iran normally reports 10% of their political executions so going by history (and ignoring the people stating 30,000 is correct), extrapolating from regime numbers and human rights groups analysis 30,000 would match historical numbers. I don't know what your mossad comment has to do with anything. Seems like 'the Gaza Health Ministry is Hamas' level hand waiving away of senseless amounts of civilian death. I'm sorry but are you equating Trump hyperbole resulting in nothing as equal to the actual murder of 3000-30000 civilian protestors who just didn't want a government that raped/murdered people for choosing not to follow a religion's morality laws?
  - DrProtic 6mo ago
    I’m sure destroying their civilization will help them a lot.
    - _DeadFred_ 5mo ago
      The Islamic Republic of Iran has called for and acted towards/funded the destruction of the American people, my civilization, my family, for the last 40+ years, held mass protests of hate towards us continually. Boo hoo that rhetoric towards them from my side came close to the very much not rhetoric but moral/religious position they have vocally held, marched in support of, taught their children in school for 40+ years. The Islamic Republic of Iran has a government built billboard in their capital with a countdown to their desired destruction of another nation as well. Give me a break with the one sided moral outrage. Iran/Iranians want me, my parents, my children dead. They have shouted this loudly for 40+ years. I grew up afraid of Islam, seeing the head of a religion and also leader of a nation that hated me calling for my and my families deaths. The head of a religion calling for the execution of people like Rushdie, simply for writing a book. I on the other hand just want Iranians to not be raped/murdered for their choice in hats. I have never seen/attended a rally that chanted 'death to Iran'. A huge part of my country's last election was talk on 'Americans don't want war with Iran'. Has ANY government approved Iranian moderate ran on 'we don't want death to America'?