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Funded by the Institute for Scientific Information on Coffee (ISIC) — an industry body — which is a notable conflict of interest the authors disclose but don't

Funded by the Institute for Scientific Information on Coffee (ISIC) — an industry body — which is a notable conflict of interest the authors disclose but don't extensively discuss

rapidaneurism 5mo ago
It does not sound like an outcome that big coffee paid for it to be so: Behaviourally, coffee drinkers exhibited greater impulsivity and emotional reactivity, whereas non-coffee drinkers demonstrated better memory performance.
- selcuka 5mo ago
  > It does not sound like an outcome that big coffee paid for it to be so: Who said anything about big coffee? These guys might be a secret, anti-coffee organisation. /s
  - fedeb95 5mo ago
    it's the barley cartel.
    - IAmBroom 5mo ago
      I knew it! Microchips in my beer. That's why I only drink it from aluminum cans, to foil the transmissions.
- iammjm 5mo ago
  Do they though? Any data on that? Also, the highly caffeinated people might also be sleep deprived, which impacts memory and emotional regulation
  - Antibabelic 5mo ago
    The data is in the linked paper. It's a direct quote from the abstract.
  - deleted 5mo ago
    [deleted]
  - oharapj 5mo ago
    Please delete this comment. It’s embarrassing
    - baxtr 5mo ago
      Maybe he forgot?
- fc417fc802 5mo ago
  Ah yes, yet another in the long line of results which confirm our suspicion of water being wet to have been right all along. In this case it's something that anyone who has spent a significant amount of time around routine coffee drinkers and regularly consumed it themselves already took for granted.
- zug_zug 5mo ago
  Or, maybe this is the cleaned-up interpretation
- culi 5mo ago
  The first paragraph of the introduction touts all the health benefits of coffee. I don't necessarily deny these benefits but it feels weird for a scientific paper to hedge its bets like this. > Moderate coffee consumption is associated with various health benefits, including reduced risks of type 2 diabetes, liver disease, cardiovascular diseases, and cancer3. In a large cross-sectional study of 468,629 individuals without clinical cardiovascular disease, light-to-moderate coffee consumption was linked to lower rates of all-cause mortality, cardiovascular mortality, and stroke incidence4. Furthermore, coffee intake is consistently associated with a reduced risk of Parkinson’s disease in a dose-dependent manner, across multiple human cohorts5,6,7. Meta-analyses have also found that coffee consumers face a lower risk of depression8,9, and one meta-analysis of cohort studies examining cognitive decline, showed that coffee consumption accounted for a 27% reduction in the incidence of Alzheimer’s disease It's like they're starting off with "Now don't get me wrong. Coffee will cure cancer, but..."
- culi 5mo ago
  Yeah it's telling how ISIC is covering this study. Their title is: > New research reveals mechanisms behind coffee’s positive effects on the gut-brain axis https://www.coffeeandhealth.org/health/media-content/news-alerts/new-research-reveals-mechanisms-behind-coffees-positive-effects-on-the-gut-brain-axis https://www.coffeeandhealth.org/health/media-content/news-al...
carabiner 5mo ago
Every damn time, for chocolate, coffee, and red wine "studies."
- 46493168 5mo ago
  Who else would fund a study?
  - culi 5mo ago
    It'd be nice if the gov't could do it. Or at least enforced some regulation so that a study is forced to preprint so we at least know when a study was attempted but didn't end up publishing the results Ultimately these industry-funded studies are still gov't funded as well. They are "public-private partnerships" but it's stupid how we don't talk about the fact that usually the majority of the grants come from the gov't. Even when a study is mostly funded by the industry it's relying on utilize existing infrastructure or early-stage research initiated by government funds.

Funded by the Institute for Scientific Information on Coffee (ISIC) — an industry body — which is a notable conflict of interest the authors disclose but don't extensively discuss

rapidaneurism 5mo ago

It does not sound like an outcome that big coffee paid for it to be so: Behaviourally, coffee drinkers exhibited greater impulsivity and emotional reactivity, whereas non-coffee drinkers demonstrated better memory performance.

selcuka 5mo ago
> It does not sound like an outcome that big coffee paid for it to be so: Who said anything about big coffee? These guys might be a secret, anti-coffee organisation. /s
- fedeb95 5mo ago
  it's the barley cartel.
  - IAmBroom 5mo ago
    I knew it! Microchips in my beer. That's why I only drink it from aluminum cans, to foil the transmissions.
iammjm 5mo ago
Do they though? Any data on that? Also, the highly caffeinated people might also be sleep deprived, which impacts memory and emotional regulation
- Antibabelic 5mo ago
  The data is in the linked paper. It's a direct quote from the abstract.
- deleted 5mo ago
  [deleted]
- oharapj 5mo ago
  Please delete this comment. It’s embarrassing
  - baxtr 5mo ago
    Maybe he forgot?
fc417fc802 5mo ago
Ah yes, yet another in the long line of results which confirm our suspicion of water being wet to have been right all along. In this case it's something that anyone who has spent a significant amount of time around routine coffee drinkers and regularly consumed it themselves already took for granted.
zug_zug 5mo ago
Or, maybe this is the cleaned-up interpretation
culi 5mo ago
The first paragraph of the introduction touts all the health benefits of coffee. I don't necessarily deny these benefits but it feels weird for a scientific paper to hedge its bets like this. > Moderate coffee consumption is associated with various health benefits, including reduced risks of type 2 diabetes, liver disease, cardiovascular diseases, and cancer3. In a large cross-sectional study of 468,629 individuals without clinical cardiovascular disease, light-to-moderate coffee consumption was linked to lower rates of all-cause mortality, cardiovascular mortality, and stroke incidence4. Furthermore, coffee intake is consistently associated with a reduced risk of Parkinson’s disease in a dose-dependent manner, across multiple human cohorts5,6,7. Meta-analyses have also found that coffee consumers face a lower risk of depression8,9, and one meta-analysis of cohort studies examining cognitive decline, showed that coffee consumption accounted for a 27% reduction in the incidence of Alzheimer’s disease It's like they're starting off with "Now don't get me wrong. Coffee will cure cancer, but..."
culi 5mo ago
Yeah it's telling how ISIC is covering this study. Their title is: > New research reveals mechanisms behind coffee’s positive effects on the gut-brain axis https://www.coffeeandhealth.org/health/media-content/news-alerts/new-research-reveals-mechanisms-behind-coffees-positive-effects-on-the-gut-brain-axis https://www.coffeeandhealth.org/health/media-content/news-al...

carabiner 5mo ago

Every damn time, for chocolate, coffee, and red wine "studies."

46493168 5mo ago
Who else would fund a study?
- culi 5mo ago
  It'd be nice if the gov't could do it. Or at least enforced some regulation so that a study is forced to preprint so we at least know when a study was attempted but didn't end up publishing the results Ultimately these industry-funded studies are still gov't funded as well. They are "public-private partnerships" but it's stupid how we don't talk about the fact that usually the majority of the grants come from the gov't. Even when a study is mostly funded by the industry it's relying on utilize existing infrastructure or early-stage research initiated by government funds.