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Speaking as a greybeard, it's not really that valuable. Younger people are just as smart, if not smarter, and they can figure it out if I get hit by a bus. Ther

Speaking as a greybeard, it's not really that valuable. Younger people are just as smart, if not smarter, and they can figure it out if I get hit by a bus. There's literally nothing I know that someone younger couldn't learn or figure out.

aggakake 6mo ago
Microsoft uses React Native in their Start menu because the kids don't know Windows programming anymore.
- petcat 6mo ago
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  - wbxp99 6mo ago
    The start menu just.... doesn't open sometimes these days.
  - jadamson 6mo ago
    It's a laggy resource hog. It's slow to open. You can spam the windows key and watch CPU usage increase. Putting words in someone's mouth to defend that dreck sounds ridiculous, yes.
    - petcat 6mo ago
      Well I don't use Windows so I can't comment on the quality. And I actually don't even really care about it. I was just commenting on the curmudgeonly perspective that young people can't do things right.
  - xienze 6mo ago
    The more sensible take is “don’t use new technology where it doesn’t make sense.” The start menu should need a web browser engine and a heavy JS framework because…?
  - oblio 6mo ago
    That new technology could be Zig or Rust, if that's the spiel. Or it could be Ada, old and boring but generally safe. New for the sake of new is vanity.
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  - colonwqbang 6mo ago
    Another way to look at it: Microsoft APIs have fallen from grace. Even their own devs don't dogfood anymore. They download something that Facebook made instead and reimplement the Holy Start Menu using that.
  - xboxnolifes 6mo ago
    Let me introduce you to a new concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
  - croes 6mo ago
    Let's use new technology just because it's new. You see how ridiculous that sounds
- ajayvk 6mo ago
  Makes no sense if you look at the start menu as an interface to the operating system. Makes perfect sense if you look at it as one more place to show ads
- esafak 6mo ago
  Windows native app development is a mess https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47475938 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47475938
johnnyanmac 6mo ago
>There's literally nothing I know that someone younger couldn't learn or figure out. Learn, yes. Will they get the time and training for that, given that they are taking on 30+ year legacy code? I'm less confident.
avidiax 6mo ago
I think it was perhaps useful, at least in knowing which things are Chesterton's Fence. I doubt that AI can figure that out, since it's not always possible for humans to figure that out either. But with AI, simple codebase understanding or even just paving over everything, including the fence, is potentially easy, and getting easier each month. Certainly, a certain amount of senior experience is needed. The AI lacks taste and discretion. But the greybeard sensibilities the come with increasing seniority will probably hold back the new pace of things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._K._Chesterton#Chesterton's_fence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._K._Chesterton#Chesterton's_...
daemin 6mo ago
Ah, but can they tell the same tales as you can? Maybe in time when their beard starts getting grey in it, but that time is not now.
croes 6mo ago
There is a difference between figuring out and already knowing. Especially if time is a limiting factor

aggakake 6mo ago

Microsoft uses React Native in their Start menu because the kids don't know Windows programming anymore.

petcat 6mo ago
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- wbxp99 6mo ago
  The start menu just.... doesn't open sometimes these days.
- jadamson 6mo ago
  It's a laggy resource hog. It's slow to open. You can spam the windows key and watch CPU usage increase. Putting words in someone's mouth to defend that dreck sounds ridiculous, yes.
  - petcat 6mo ago
    Well I don't use Windows so I can't comment on the quality. And I actually don't even really care about it. I was just commenting on the curmudgeonly perspective that young people can't do things right.
- xienze 6mo ago
  The more sensible take is “don’t use new technology where it doesn’t make sense.” The start menu should need a web browser engine and a heavy JS framework because…?
- oblio 6mo ago
  That new technology could be Zig or Rust, if that's the spiel. Or it could be Ada, old and boring but generally safe. New for the sake of new is vanity.
  - deleted 6mo ago
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- colonwqbang 6mo ago
  Another way to look at it: Microsoft APIs have fallen from grace. Even their own devs don't dogfood anymore. They download something that Facebook made instead and reimplement the Holy Start Menu using that.
- xboxnolifes 6mo ago
  Let me introduce you to a new concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
- croes 6mo ago
  Let's use new technology just because it's new. You see how ridiculous that sounds
ajayvk 6mo ago
Makes no sense if you look at the start menu as an interface to the operating system. Makes perfect sense if you look at it as one more place to show ads
esafak 6mo ago
Windows native app development is a mess https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47475938 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47475938

johnnyanmac 6mo ago

>There's literally nothing I know that someone younger couldn't learn or figure out. Learn, yes. Will they get the time and training for that, given that they are taking on 30+ year legacy code? I'm less confident.

avidiax 6mo ago

I think it was perhaps useful, at least in knowing which things are Chesterton's Fence. I doubt that AI can figure that out, since it's not always possible for humans to figure that out either. But with AI, simple codebase understanding or even just paving over everything, including the fence, is potentially easy, and getting easier each month. Certainly, a certain amount of senior experience is needed. The AI lacks taste and discretion. But the greybeard sensibilities the come with increasing seniority will probably hold back the new pace of things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._K._Chesterton#Chesterton's_fence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._K._Chesterton#Chesterton's_...

daemin 6mo ago

Ah, but can they tell the same tales as you can? Maybe in time when their beard starts getting grey in it, but that time is not now.

croes 6mo ago

There is a difference between figuring out and already knowing. Especially if time is a limiting factor