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> where the country was asked to pull in the same direction together There was no asking, if the country was asked then the term "lockdown" wouldn't have been

by chasd00 6mo ago

> where the country was asked to pull in the same direction together There was no asking, if the country was asked then the term "lockdown" wouldn't have been used. On the other hand, there were no soldiers on the street forcing everyone inside. People chose to do it and maybe that's where the social strife really comes from, people realized they just do what they're told by authority and they're not the free-thinking individuals they thought they were. I'm still amazed at the level of total, blind, compliance of the US population. I expected riots in the streets but there was nothing. At least traffic was less. And HN was especially depressing, any mention of "lockdowns" maybe not being the best idea or what Sweden was doing was totally shouted down. I'll never forget that.

guzfip 6mo ago
> people realized they just do what they're told by authority and they're not the free-thinking individuals they thought they were Nah, no one who seriously thought this has come around to the truth.
tayo42 6mo ago
There were riots in the streets, it was just over another black guy being killed by a racist cop though.
- chasd00 6mo ago
  yeah and remember when those gatherings/protests got a thumbs up from the CDC but having friends over for dinner was off the table? God, what a ridiculous time that was.
  - ceejayoz 6mo ago
    Almost like outside and inside are different, eh?
    - suttontom 6mo ago
      The hypocrisy was most notable in experts who said those protesting against the lockdowns (outside), who were considered right wing, were risking spreading the disease, but then said the opposite when the protests supported a left-wing narrative. Also the CDC who said you had to stay six feet apart even outside who then were OK with people gathering close together during protests and shouting (specifically called out by the CDC as a risky behavior).
      - ceejayoz 6mo ago
        We do a lot of risk/reward balancing in life. Maybe we can discuss specific cases, if you like, but "I want to whine about public health restrictions" and "someone got murdered by the state" perhaps have different risk/reward profiles. We know ventilation matters. Public health officials flubbed this one pretty reliably; schools and doctors' offices should've had HEPA filters in every room instead of clorox wiping everything obsessively. Outdoor protests, in hindsight (and of either kind), were a nothingburger for COVID spread.
        twoodfin 6mo ago
        “I want my father to have a proper funeral with his family.” “I want to visit my aunt in her nursing home.” “I’d like to do some gardening in my Michigan backyard.” The issue wasn’t risk/reward tradeoffs, it was who was allowed to make them and who was not.
        ceejayoz 6mo ago
        > I want my father to have a proper funeral with his family.” Large indoor gathering. > “I want to visit my aunt in her nursing home.” Indoors and high risk population. > “I’d like to do some gardening in my Michigan backyard.” When was this banned?
        twoodfin 6mo ago
        https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2020/04/16/michigan-bans-many-stores-from-selling-seeds-home-gardening-supplies-calls-them-not-necessary/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2020/04/16/michigan... It’s nice that you have all the answers when it comes to risk/reward tradeoffs. Trust the Science!
- giardini 6mo ago
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giardini 6mo ago
So how did Sweden do vis-a-vis the USA?
array_key_first 6mo ago
Riots in the streets because you have to wear a piece of cloth on your mouth and stand slightly farther away from people? I don't know how people are so delusional to think lockdown was a lockdown. Did we... did we have the same COVID? I went to work every day, in person, at a restaurant. I served people every day, in person, at said restaurant. I went shopping at the grocery store. I went to the park, to the mall. These were all "essential jobs", somehow. The only thing that changed is they put those little stickers on the ground telling people where to stand. Oh, and I wore a mask.
- anthonypasq 6mo ago
  part of the issue with Covid is that it was highly state dependent so everyone is talking past each other and accusing people of gaslighting and memory holing stuff. if you lived in Texas, many people would agree with your assessment. I lived in Massachusetts and I can tell you that was not at all my experience. All communal venues including the beach???? were shut down. there was extreme social pressure to never step outside. I know this sounds like a made up story, but i literally had friends accuse me of killing their grandmother because I as a healthy 24 year old wanted to go to a concert AFTER vaccines were available. If you lived in a primarily liberal culture, the authoritarianism, virtue signaling and hypocrisy were completely insane. my little brother didnt get a senior year of highschool or freshman year of college, and yet people like you claim the only thing that happened was people didnt want to put a piece of cloth over their mouths. Its extremely disingenuous and i can tell you my brother has not been the same since covid.
  - hirvi74 6mo ago
    > If you lived in a primarily liberal culture, the authoritarianism, virtue signaling and hypocrisy were completely insane. Perhaps so, but in 2020-2023, it appears that the harsh imposition of Massachusetts was not in vain when compared to states like Texas, for example. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/state-stats/deaths/covid19.html https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/state-stats/deaths/covid19.html Sure, correlation does not imply causation, but correlations do imply associations. > Its extremely disingenuous It is also extremely privileged and entitled. More Americans died from Covid in a few years than the sum of US solider deaths in all US wars combined from 1776-2026.

by chasd00 6mo ago

guzfip 6mo ago

> people realized they just do what they're told by authority and they're not the free-thinking individuals they thought they were Nah, no one who seriously thought this has come around to the truth.

tayo42 6mo ago

There were riots in the streets, it was just over another black guy being killed by a racist cop though.

chasd00 6mo ago
yeah and remember when those gatherings/protests got a thumbs up from the CDC but having friends over for dinner was off the table? God, what a ridiculous time that was.
- ceejayoz 6mo ago
  Almost like outside and inside are different, eh?
  - suttontom 6mo ago
    The hypocrisy was most notable in experts who said those protesting against the lockdowns (outside), who were considered right wing, were risking spreading the disease, but then said the opposite when the protests supported a left-wing narrative. Also the CDC who said you had to stay six feet apart even outside who then were OK with people gathering close together during protests and shouting (specifically called out by the CDC as a risky behavior).
    - ceejayoz 6mo ago
      We do a lot of risk/reward balancing in life. Maybe we can discuss specific cases, if you like, but "I want to whine about public health restrictions" and "someone got murdered by the state" perhaps have different risk/reward profiles. We know ventilation matters. Public health officials flubbed this one pretty reliably; schools and doctors' offices should've had HEPA filters in every room instead of clorox wiping everything obsessively. Outdoor protests, in hindsight (and of either kind), were a nothingburger for COVID spread.
      - twoodfin 6mo ago
        “I want my father to have a proper funeral with his family.” “I want to visit my aunt in her nursing home.” “I’d like to do some gardening in my Michigan backyard.” The issue wasn’t risk/reward tradeoffs, it was who was allowed to make them and who was not.
        ceejayoz 6mo ago
        > I want my father to have a proper funeral with his family.” Large indoor gathering. > “I want to visit my aunt in her nursing home.” Indoors and high risk population. > “I’d like to do some gardening in my Michigan backyard.” When was this banned?
        twoodfin 6mo ago
        https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2020/04/16/michigan-bans-many-stores-from-selling-seeds-home-gardening-supplies-calls-them-not-necessary/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2020/04/16/michigan... It’s nice that you have all the answers when it comes to risk/reward tradeoffs. Trust the Science!
giardini 6mo ago
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giardini 6mo ago

So how did Sweden do vis-a-vis the USA?

array_key_first 6mo ago

Riots in the streets because you have to wear a piece of cloth on your mouth and stand slightly farther away from people? I don't know how people are so delusional to think lockdown was a lockdown. Did we... did we have the same COVID? I went to work every day, in person, at a restaurant. I served people every day, in person, at said restaurant. I went shopping at the grocery store. I went to the park, to the mall. These were all "essential jobs", somehow. The only thing that changed is they put those little stickers on the ground telling people where to stand. Oh, and I wore a mask.

anthonypasq 6mo ago
part of the issue with Covid is that it was highly state dependent so everyone is talking past each other and accusing people of gaslighting and memory holing stuff. if you lived in Texas, many people would agree with your assessment. I lived in Massachusetts and I can tell you that was not at all my experience. All communal venues including the beach???? were shut down. there was extreme social pressure to never step outside. I know this sounds like a made up story, but i literally had friends accuse me of killing their grandmother because I as a healthy 24 year old wanted to go to a concert AFTER vaccines were available. If you lived in a primarily liberal culture, the authoritarianism, virtue signaling and hypocrisy were completely insane. my little brother didnt get a senior year of highschool or freshman year of college, and yet people like you claim the only thing that happened was people didnt want to put a piece of cloth over their mouths. Its extremely disingenuous and i can tell you my brother has not been the same since covid.
- hirvi74 6mo ago
  > If you lived in a primarily liberal culture, the authoritarianism, virtue signaling and hypocrisy were completely insane. Perhaps so, but in 2020-2023, it appears that the harsh imposition of Massachusetts was not in vain when compared to states like Texas, for example. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/state-stats/deaths/covid19.html https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/state-stats/deaths/covid19.html Sure, correlation does not imply causation, but correlations do imply associations. > Its extremely disingenuous It is also extremely privileged and entitled. More Americans died from Covid in a few years than the sum of US solider deaths in all US wars combined from 1776-2026.