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The solution is pretty straight forward. Fine should be scaled to your income and have an escalating multiplier for reoffense within the same category of offen
by Teever 6mo ago
The solution is pretty straight forward.
Fine should be scaled to your income and have an escalating multiplier for reoffense within the same category of offense with a cool down period of a few years if they don't break the law.
I've brought this up many times online and people usually reply with something like "lots of people who have no income on paper but are wealthy speed" and a recent solution that I've seen posted is to scale the fine to the value of the vehicle.
Quite often fines are a pretty limp and ineffective way of modulating an individual's behaviour which is ultimately a choice by society.
We can make a better choice there to induce the behaviour that we want from antisocial people.
- Tade0 6mo ago> escalating multiplier for reoffense within the same category of offense with a cool down period of a few years if they don't break the law. My country - Poland - implemented this part a couple of years ago. Specifically a reoffense in the same category within two years results in a higher tier fine - about twice the usual amount. Fines were also adjusted for inflation after over 20 years of being nominally the same. The rate of cars passing me doing 180km/h+, so 40km/h+ above the local 140km/h limit, fell drastically. Particularly speeding cars in poor condition (like dangling linkages etc.) vanished. Nobody wants a ticket that's worth more than the car.
- kennywinker 6mo agoJesus christ, 140kph?!? That’s fast. Max speed limit where i live is 120kph and that feels too fast for most roads.
- keddad 6mo agoIt's really not, especially on a highway. Makes me sad to read about more and more speed restrictions - there is nothing wrong with those in areas there cars and pedestrians cross, but seeing a highway with a 110 (or sometimes even 80) speed limit just feels stupid. Sometimes I'm happy to live in a place with relatively modest speeding fines (also, you have to speed A LOT to loose your license over it, it's a very rare occasion).
- kennywinker 6mo agoI feel like you live somewhere where highways are flat and straight. I don’t.
- singron 6mo agoFor Americans, 120 kph is ~75mph and 140kph is ~85mph. I think there is a single road in the US with an 85 speed limit, and only some states use 75-80.
- kennywinker 6mo agoI’ve definitely driven 85mph on the I10 in texas. The roads are flat and straight, so it almost makes sense - but you have basically zero margin for error at those speeds. If I recall, the road fatality numbers for texas aren’t exactly good.
- Tade0 6mo agoIt was increased from 130km/h in the 21st century. What's surprising/weird/hilarious is the traffic fatality rate before and after the change: https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/Poland/mortality_traffic_accidents/ https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/Poland/mortality_traffic_ac... I'll let you google when that was so as not to spoil it.
- kennywinker 6mo agoIt looks like it changed in 2011? The trend was already decidedly downward from 2000 to 2011, so it’s hard to say what if any impact raising the speed limit had. Xkcd 552
- Tade0 6mo agoYes - the interesting bit is that this downward trend was stronger than the effect of this legislation. Truth be told a lot of this has to do with most fatalities being that of pedestrians. Personally I witnessed two such accidents, fortunately minor ones. Both times it was a pedestrian crossing on their green, but the car turning right also having green.
- toast0 6mo ago> a recent solution that I've seen posted is to scale the fine to the value of the vehicle. Sweet. My vanagon has a license to speed... not on highways though, it can barely hit the speedlimit.