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The context is that Jones blew up the court process every chance he got, setting a new record for contempt fining. The most important piece was refusing to comp

The context is that Jones blew up the court process every chance he got, setting a new record for contempt fining. The most important piece was refusing to comply with discovery (his lawyer was so bad-behaved here he ended up with a disciplinary suspension). As a result Jones received a default judgement, i.e. the plaintiffs win by default and he doesn't get to argue his case. This also means the plaintiffs get everything they were asking for. And then for some reason he didn't even enter an argument during the damages calculation phase, so the jury just went with whatever the plaintiffs said.

pippy360 6mo ago
Do you have a good/entertaining source for this? I'd love to read (or watch/listen) more about it
- ChristianJacobs 6mo ago
  LegalEagle[0] covered this shitshow in great detail with solid commentary. Can recommend. [0]: https://youtu.be/x-QcbOphxYs https://youtu.be/x-QcbOphxYs This is when from when Jones' lawyer sent a copy of his phone to the opposition...
  - tombert 6mo ago
    That was an impressively stupid and/or lazy fuck up, to a point where I think Jones could have a lawsuit against his attorneys there. IANAL but it does seems like "sending an entire copy of your clients phone and making no effort to redact it" could be a thing that, you know, is bad counsel.
    - gosub100 6mo ago
      No, the lawyers can argue about the scope of what they show the jury during trial. There are plenty of rules against biasing or inflaming the jury with unrelated material.
      - tombert 6mo ago
        Yes but they didn’t show anything irrelevant in the trial. It was idiotic to send a dump of the entire phone.
- anonymars 6mo ago
  I think you'll enjoy this brief clip (3 min) when it's revealed the defense lawyer accidentally provided the plaintiffs a copy of his entire phone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgxZSBfGXUM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgxZSBfGXUM
- knowledge-share 6mo ago
  Knowledge Fight podcast is great. Look for their Formulaic Objection episodes to see the crazy show all of the court things were.
  - GuinansEyebrows 6mo ago
    how's your 401k doin' bruh?
- aqme28 6mo ago
  ALAB series covered it in amusing detail
cogman10 6mo ago
Just a few (minor) corrections > his lawyer was so bad-behaved here he ended up with a disciplinary suspension Jones had multiple lawyers throughout the process. That was in fact a big part of the problem that ended up getting him defaulted. Free speech systems (his company) do a depo with one set of lawyers that didn't comply comply with the judges orders, they'd go in unprepared and give the "I'm so sorry I'm brand new on this case" and then he'd have a completely different set of lawyers in the next depo that would rinse and recycle the same rhetoric. It was also 2 cases, one in Texas and the larger one in Connecticut. But he pulled the same shit in both and got defaulted in both. > the plaintiffs win by default and he doesn't get to argue his case. The plaintiffs do win by default but he did also get to argue his case still. The trial was focused on how much damage Jones did to the plaintiffs with Jones arguing he did nothing and the plaintiffs showing how crazy it was (Including Jones's fans shooting up his house, getting fired from jobs, having friends accuse them of lying about their kid's deaths). > And then for some reason he didn't even enter an argument during the damages calculation phase, so the jury just went with whatever the plaintiffs said. Not really true. He did put forth really bad arguments during the damages calculations. But in both Connecticut and Texas the amount of damage was left up to the Jury to decide. They could have put forward any number from 1 to 80M (I think the highest amount). And in Connecticut the amounts were broken down for each of the victims (including an officer that responded to the shooting). That's part of what's made it impossible for him to unwind because each of the victims got different amounts of damages. There was just like 20 of them which is why the damages went so high.
- pie_flavor 6mo ago
  Re pt 3, says here he entirely declined to put on a defense during that part. https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/plaintiffs-attorneys-plan-to-rest-their-case-in-sandy-hook-defamation-trial/2886010/ https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/plaintiffs-attorne...
  - cogman10 6mo ago
    I guess I find that a bit misleading. His lawyers in CT didn't call witnesses but they did cross examine the plaintiffs witnesses. In the TX case they did have AJ take the stand for his own defense, the "Perry Mason" moment was during the cross examination which I'm sure he didn't want to repeat in CT. That said, his CT lawyer was REALLY bad, far worse than his TX lawyer who famously gave away a copy of his phone by mistake.
jandrese 6mo ago
Jones basically handled his defense like Donald Trump handles congressional subpoenas, but Jones doesn't have the Supreme Court covering for him so he got burned to a crisp. I think in his heart of hearts he thought he was going to get some kind of pardon that would make all of the problems go away. He doesn't think he's the kind of person that would ever have to face the consequences of his own actions.
tootie 6mo ago
It's even worse than that. Because despite his commitment to non-compliance and general contempt for the entire process he managed to comfound his own defense resulting in his legal team accidentally disclosing way too much including the smoking gun that proved his guilt beyond a doubt.

pippy360 6mo ago

Do you have a good/entertaining source for this? I'd love to read (or watch/listen) more about it

ChristianJacobs 6mo ago
LegalEagle[0] covered this shitshow in great detail with solid commentary. Can recommend. [0]: https://youtu.be/x-QcbOphxYs https://youtu.be/x-QcbOphxYs This is when from when Jones' lawyer sent a copy of his phone to the opposition...
- tombert 6mo ago
  That was an impressively stupid and/or lazy fuck up, to a point where I think Jones could have a lawsuit against his attorneys there. IANAL but it does seems like "sending an entire copy of your clients phone and making no effort to redact it" could be a thing that, you know, is bad counsel.
  - gosub100 6mo ago
    No, the lawyers can argue about the scope of what they show the jury during trial. There are plenty of rules against biasing or inflaming the jury with unrelated material.
    - tombert 6mo ago
      Yes but they didn’t show anything irrelevant in the trial. It was idiotic to send a dump of the entire phone.
anonymars 6mo ago
I think you'll enjoy this brief clip (3 min) when it's revealed the defense lawyer accidentally provided the plaintiffs a copy of his entire phone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgxZSBfGXUM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgxZSBfGXUM
knowledge-share 6mo ago
Knowledge Fight podcast is great. Look for their Formulaic Objection episodes to see the crazy show all of the court things were.
- GuinansEyebrows 6mo ago
  how's your 401k doin' bruh?
aqme28 6mo ago
ALAB series covered it in amusing detail

cogman10 6mo ago

Just a few (minor) corrections > his lawyer was so bad-behaved here he ended up with a disciplinary suspension Jones had multiple lawyers throughout the process. That was in fact a big part of the problem that ended up getting him defaulted. Free speech systems (his company) do a depo with one set of lawyers that didn't comply comply with the judges orders, they'd go in unprepared and give the "I'm so sorry I'm brand new on this case" and then he'd have a completely different set of lawyers in the next depo that would rinse and recycle the same rhetoric. It was also 2 cases, one in Texas and the larger one in Connecticut. But he pulled the same shit in both and got defaulted in both. > the plaintiffs win by default and he doesn't get to argue his case. The plaintiffs do win by default but he did also get to argue his case still. The trial was focused on how much damage Jones did to the plaintiffs with Jones arguing he did nothing and the plaintiffs showing how crazy it was (Including Jones's fans shooting up his house, getting fired from jobs, having friends accuse them of lying about their kid's deaths). > And then for some reason he didn't even enter an argument during the damages calculation phase, so the jury just went with whatever the plaintiffs said. Not really true. He did put forth really bad arguments during the damages calculations. But in both Connecticut and Texas the amount of damage was left up to the Jury to decide. They could have put forward any number from 1 to 80M (I think the highest amount). And in Connecticut the amounts were broken down for each of the victims (including an officer that responded to the shooting). That's part of what's made it impossible for him to unwind because each of the victims got different amounts of damages. There was just like 20 of them which is why the damages went so high.

pie_flavor 6mo ago
Re pt 3, says here he entirely declined to put on a defense during that part. https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/plaintiffs-attorneys-plan-to-rest-their-case-in-sandy-hook-defamation-trial/2886010/ https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/plaintiffs-attorne...
- cogman10 6mo ago
  I guess I find that a bit misleading. His lawyers in CT didn't call witnesses but they did cross examine the plaintiffs witnesses. In the TX case they did have AJ take the stand for his own defense, the "Perry Mason" moment was during the cross examination which I'm sure he didn't want to repeat in CT. That said, his CT lawyer was REALLY bad, far worse than his TX lawyer who famously gave away a copy of his phone by mistake.

jandrese 6mo ago

Jones basically handled his defense like Donald Trump handles congressional subpoenas, but Jones doesn't have the Supreme Court covering for him so he got burned to a crisp. I think in his heart of hearts he thought he was going to get some kind of pardon that would make all of the problems go away. He doesn't think he's the kind of person that would ever have to face the consequences of his own actions.

tootie 6mo ago

It's even worse than that. Because despite his commitment to non-compliance and general contempt for the entire process he managed to comfound his own defense resulting in his legal team accidentally disclosing way too much including the smoking gun that proved his guilt beyond a doubt.