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Silly Devil's Advocate argument: What if there are no human soldiers or fighters at all? No-one needs to die in a war again, but wars are won by the side with

Silly Devil's Advocate argument: What if there are no human soldiers or fighters at all? No-one needs to die in a war again, but wars are won by the side with the stronger tech. What are the possible outcomes of this? Technologically superior countries start a race to acquire more territory, so large blocks expand and absorb other countries? More wars? Fewer wars? More suffering? Less suffering? Disclaimer: I'm not imagining this is really possible. As long as some humans from group A don't want to be under the rule of group B, humans will resist and fight. But it is just a thought experiement.

altmanaltman 6mo ago
I mean if a technological superior country start a race for more territory, we will have another world war and nuclear weapons fired. No robots matter in that scenario.
justacrow 6mo ago
Philip K Dick wrote a short story similar to this, "The Defenders".
grey-area 6mo ago
All war tends toward total war, so that will never happen no. The incentive to break any such agreements is too strong.
watwut 6mo ago
> What if there are no human soldiers or fighters at all? No-one needs to die in a war again, but wars are won by the side with the stronger tech. Ultimately, the side with more arms will be killing humans, soldiers and citizens of the other side. They simply wont stop at destruction of machines. Look at Iran war - USA can bomb them without threatening themselves. Or Lebanon - Israel can bomb them with no repercussions. In both cases, weaker side has people killed. In the second one, in an astonishing rate.
lern_too_spel 6mo ago
It becomes nearly impossible for citizens to overthrow dictatorships, and countries with weak democracies will quickly be overpowered by the oligarchs living there, who can now impose their will on the larger population of poor citizens with impunity without worrying about being overthrown by overwhelming numbers. Having an electorate that is so misinformed that it can elect Trump becomes a much more dangerous liability.
- kjkjadksj 6mo ago
  Makes me think with the whole zuck ai at these ideas are ultimately immortal. Which is terrifying. Kill zuck the man, but with this you don’t kill zuck the idea which is what you wanted to kill in the first place. That zuck ai will be around 1000 years from now in control of vast planetary resources. The real zuck long since discarded with the rest of the human population.
kjkjadksj 6mo ago
One outcome is to just sacrifice your human population as meat shield or bait. Only thing you need to maintain your control on your corner of the world is the robots, not meatbag humans with all the liability inherent to that.
- phtrivier 6mo ago
  This. I'm pretty sure any sufficiently autonomous / AI driven / remote control battalion will embed some "volontary" humans, so that "nuking the robots from orbit" is at least politically unpopular. Though, given what we've used bombs and drones to do to unarmed civilians in the last century, that might done make military planner budge...

altmanaltman 6mo ago

I mean if a technological superior country start a race for more territory, we will have another world war and nuclear weapons fired. No robots matter in that scenario.

justacrow 6mo ago

Philip K Dick wrote a short story similar to this, "The Defenders".

grey-area 6mo ago

All war tends toward total war, so that will never happen no. The incentive to break any such agreements is too strong.

watwut 6mo ago

> What if there are no human soldiers or fighters at all? No-one needs to die in a war again, but wars are won by the side with the stronger tech. Ultimately, the side with more arms will be killing humans, soldiers and citizens of the other side. They simply wont stop at destruction of machines. Look at Iran war - USA can bomb them without threatening themselves. Or Lebanon - Israel can bomb them with no repercussions. In both cases, weaker side has people killed. In the second one, in an astonishing rate.

lern_too_spel 6mo ago

It becomes nearly impossible for citizens to overthrow dictatorships, and countries with weak democracies will quickly be overpowered by the oligarchs living there, who can now impose their will on the larger population of poor citizens with impunity without worrying about being overthrown by overwhelming numbers. Having an electorate that is so misinformed that it can elect Trump becomes a much more dangerous liability.

kjkjadksj 6mo ago
Makes me think with the whole zuck ai at these ideas are ultimately immortal. Which is terrifying. Kill zuck the man, but with this you don’t kill zuck the idea which is what you wanted to kill in the first place. That zuck ai will be around 1000 years from now in control of vast planetary resources. The real zuck long since discarded with the rest of the human population.

kjkjadksj 6mo ago

One outcome is to just sacrifice your human population as meat shield or bait. Only thing you need to maintain your control on your corner of the world is the robots, not meatbag humans with all the liability inherent to that.

phtrivier 6mo ago
This. I'm pretty sure any sufficiently autonomous / AI driven / remote control battalion will embed some "volontary" humans, so that "nuking the robots from orbit" is at least politically unpopular. Though, given what we've used bombs and drones to do to unarmed civilians in the last century, that might done make military planner budge...