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For someone without the means, isn't 70% better than 0%? Education probably shouldn't be an all or nothing proposition.

saraid216 14y ago
What does "without the means" mean, specifically? We've spent the last hundred years working to create opportunities for people without the means: community colleges, scholarships, federal grants, state grants, distance learning, textbook reform. This is just another iteration on that. I'd rather see people calling MOOCs 70% and flogging them towards figuring out how to provide the remaining 30% than sit around praising their 70% and being contented with that.
- christiansmith 14y ago
  > I'd rather see people calling MOOCs 70% and flogging them towards figuring out how to provide the remaining 30% than sit around praising their 70% and being contented with that. Praising progress and providing constructive criticism need not be mutually exclusive. > community colleges, Show me a community college course on computer science that's better than or equal to the least of these: https://www.coursera.org/category/cs-theory https://www.coursera.org/category/cs-theory > scholarships, federal grants, state grants Affording tuition is not the only constraint that limits people from attending a traditional university.
  - saraid216 14y ago
    > Show me a community college course on computer science that's better than or equal to the least of these: > Affording tuition is not the only constraint that limits people from attending a traditional university. When I say that 70% is not good enough and HEY maybe we should try for 100%, you tell me that MAYBE praise progress then. And then you come around and say HEY my examples like community colleges and scholarships are only 70% maybe try for 100%! Does this sound familiar yet? > Praising progress and providing constructive criticism need not be mutually exclusive. So provide some constructive criticism, rather than saying "70% is awesome because CHEAP so who cares about quality".
    - christiansmith 14y ago
      Here's some constructive criticism for you: turn the anger down a bit. It's a conversation, not a fight to the death. Second, learn how to write coherently. It helps if you want to be understood.

What does "without the means" mean, specifically? We've spent the last hundred years working to create opportunities for people without the means: community colleges, scholarships, federal grants, state grants, distance learning, textbook reform. This is just another iteration on that. I'd rather see people calling MOOCs 70% and flogging them towards figuring out how to provide the remaining 30% than sit around praising their 70% and being contented with that.

christiansmith 14y ago
> I'd rather see people calling MOOCs 70% and flogging them towards figuring out how to provide the remaining 30% than sit around praising their 70% and being contented with that. Praising progress and providing constructive criticism need not be mutually exclusive. > community colleges, Show me a community college course on computer science that's better than or equal to the least of these: https://www.coursera.org/category/cs-theory https://www.coursera.org/category/cs-theory > scholarships, federal grants, state grants Affording tuition is not the only constraint that limits people from attending a traditional university.
- saraid216 14y ago
  > Show me a community college course on computer science that's better than or equal to the least of these: > Affording tuition is not the only constraint that limits people from attending a traditional university. When I say that 70% is not good enough and HEY maybe we should try for 100%, you tell me that MAYBE praise progress then. And then you come around and say HEY my examples like community colleges and scholarships are only 70% maybe try for 100%! Does this sound familiar yet? > Praising progress and providing constructive criticism need not be mutually exclusive. So provide some constructive criticism, rather than saying "70% is awesome because CHEAP so who cares about quality".
  - christiansmith 14y ago
    Here's some constructive criticism for you: turn the anger down a bit. It's a conversation, not a fight to the death. Second, learn how to write coherently. It helps if you want to be understood.