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Palantir already has the blessings of the Tolkien estate. All the Tolkien-sounding companies in recent news have the blessings of the Tolkien estate.

colordrops 6mo ago
so?
- threatofrain 6mo ago
  When we seek to "reclaim" something, will we be reclaiming from the offspring of Tolkien?
  - walrus01 6mo ago
    Being biologically descended from Tolkien doesn't mean they're necessarily nice people, or aren't simply motivated by earning as much revenue from the legacy as possible.
DonaldPShimoda 6mo ago
> Palantir already has the blessings of the Tolkien estate. Is that true? I can't find any articles corroborating this claim. As far as I can tell from some brief googling, there is simply no legal course of action to take to prevent companies from using these names (or names from other works of fiction), even if the Tolkien Estate would like to.
mmooss 6mo ago
> Palantir already has the blessings of the Tolkien estate. Do you know a source that says that? I've wondered about it but never heard anything, and I just did a very quick look and found nothing that explains how and why that is handled. Also, if the Tolkien estate is still in JRR's decendants' hands, I think it's the third generation at least (counting JRR as the first).
olalonde 6mo ago
I don't think that's true. You generally can't copyright a single word and even if the word was trademarked, there would be little risk of confusion. > Palantir Technologies is in no way affiliated with, or endorsed or sponsored by, The Saul Zaentz Company d.b.a. Tolkien Enterprises or the Estate of J.R.R. Tolkien. https://www.palantir.com/terms-and-conditions/ https://www.palantir.com/terms-and-conditions/
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jdub 6mo ago
That's not how trademarks work. The Tolkien state (and related orgs) have registered "Palantir" under many (generally publishing/merchandising) domains, but Palantir Technologies has registered it under IC 009: computer software for collection, editing, analysis, viewing, [etc.] and a few others.

colordrops 6mo ago

so?

threatofrain 6mo ago
When we seek to "reclaim" something, will we be reclaiming from the offspring of Tolkien?
- walrus01 6mo ago
  Being biologically descended from Tolkien doesn't mean they're necessarily nice people, or aren't simply motivated by earning as much revenue from the legacy as possible.

DonaldPShimoda 6mo ago

> Palantir already has the blessings of the Tolkien estate. Is that true? I can't find any articles corroborating this claim. As far as I can tell from some brief googling, there is simply no legal course of action to take to prevent companies from using these names (or names from other works of fiction), even if the Tolkien Estate would like to.

mmooss 6mo ago

> Palantir already has the blessings of the Tolkien estate. Do you know a source that says that? I've wondered about it but never heard anything, and I just did a very quick look and found nothing that explains how and why that is handled. Also, if the Tolkien estate is still in JRR's decendants' hands, I think it's the third generation at least (counting JRR as the first).

olalonde 6mo ago

I don't think that's true. You generally can't copyright a single word and even if the word was trademarked, there would be little risk of confusion. > Palantir Technologies is in no way affiliated with, or endorsed or sponsored by, The Saul Zaentz Company d.b.a. Tolkien Enterprises or the Estate of J.R.R. Tolkien. https://www.palantir.com/terms-and-conditions/ https://www.palantir.com/terms-and-conditions/

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jdub 6mo ago

That's not how trademarks work. The Tolkien state (and related orgs) have registered "Palantir" under many (generally publishing/merchandising) domains, but Palantir Technologies has registered it under IC 009: computer software for collection, editing, analysis, viewing, [etc.] and a few others.