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Personal attacks like this are not acceptable on HN, no matter who or what they're about. The guidelines are clear that we expect better than this... Be kind.

by tomhow 6mo ago

Personal attacks like this are not acceptable on HN, no matter who or what they're about. The guidelines are clear that we expect better than this... Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." Don't be curmudgeonly. Thoughtful criticism is fine, but please don't be rigidly or generically negative. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer... Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes. Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

_d3p9 6mo ago
You might want to perform a few searches for "Elon Musk", "Donald Trump", "rapist", and "pedophile". High-profile people are attacked constantly on HN. If you don't like a comment, report it; that's what the feature is for. I spent many years at Apple, dealing with Gruber directly. If I want to call him an asshole, I will do so. Lastly, I can't find a single comment in your history that materially adds to the conversation. It's like you believe it is your job to police HN. Hint: it isn't.
- tomhow 6mo ago
  I'm a moderator here. It's my job to uphold the guidelines. Personal abuse of anybody is against the guidelines, not because of what we think of any of those individuals, but because of what kind of site HN is meant to be and the kinds of people we want to be. The whole reason this is a place where people want to participate is that we've had guidelines since the start and we uphold them daily. Having known someone personally doesn't make a difference to whether the guidelines apply; indeed, it matters more to make the effort to follow them when it's a topic that is upsetting to you.
  - _d3p9 6mo ago
    Great - thank you for your service. I'm a moderator for /r/politics on Reddit. If you think your job is difficult, you should try that for a bit. ;-) > HN is meant to be and the kinds of people we want to be Well, I desire to be honest and truthful about my experiences (at both Microsoft and Apple). If I believe my experience can be useful, I will share it. If you object to my comments, you are, of course, free to remove them. But don't preach to me about "who we want to be". Perhaps that is who you want to be. You've done your job by letting me know you don't like my thoughts on Gruber. Thank you. Now, either remove them or continue on with your moderation duties. Go bug the people calling Trump a pedophile and Musk a Nazi (which I agree with btw!).
    - tomhow 6mo ago
      Can we quit with the defiant strutting? :) Once again, we're here for curious conversation, not... this. We don't “remove” anything (the only exception being when a user asks us to do so for privacy reasons). Personally abusive comments about anyone, including controversial public figures, should always be flagged/killed here, but whether that always happens in practice doesn't change whether the guidelines apply to you. You are very welcome, indeed encouraged, to share your experiences from Microsoft and Apple. We just need you to do it without junking up the place with personal abuse. It's a simple matter of being respectful to this community and the guidelines that make it a place where people want to discuss interesting topics. A comment that consists of nothing more than personal insults about an individual is not “useful” and only drives away people who want to have curious conversations.
      - _d3p9 6mo ago
        1. You have repeatedly made the same point. I've heard you. 2. I just submitted a post [0] about Claude refusing to follow stop hook rules. That post is not visible to anyone but me. My previous submissions are still visible. Did you shadowban me? [0]: [redacted]
        tomhow 6mo ago

by tomhow 6mo ago

_d3p9 6mo ago

You might want to perform a few searches for "Elon Musk", "Donald Trump", "rapist", and "pedophile". High-profile people are attacked constantly on HN. If you don't like a comment, report it; that's what the feature is for. I spent many years at Apple, dealing with Gruber directly. If I want to call him an asshole, I will do so. Lastly, I can't find a single comment in your history that materially adds to the conversation. It's like you believe it is your job to police HN. Hint: it isn't.

tomhow 6mo ago
I'm a moderator here. It's my job to uphold the guidelines. Personal abuse of anybody is against the guidelines, not because of what we think of any of those individuals, but because of what kind of site HN is meant to be and the kinds of people we want to be. The whole reason this is a place where people want to participate is that we've had guidelines since the start and we uphold them daily. Having known someone personally doesn't make a difference to whether the guidelines apply; indeed, it matters more to make the effort to follow them when it's a topic that is upsetting to you.
- _d3p9 6mo ago
  Great - thank you for your service. I'm a moderator for /r/politics on Reddit. If you think your job is difficult, you should try that for a bit. ;-) > HN is meant to be and the kinds of people we want to be Well, I desire to be honest and truthful about my experiences (at both Microsoft and Apple). If I believe my experience can be useful, I will share it. If you object to my comments, you are, of course, free to remove them. But don't preach to me about "who we want to be". Perhaps that is who you want to be. You've done your job by letting me know you don't like my thoughts on Gruber. Thank you. Now, either remove them or continue on with your moderation duties. Go bug the people calling Trump a pedophile and Musk a Nazi (which I agree with btw!).
  - tomhow 6mo ago
    Can we quit with the defiant strutting? :) Once again, we're here for curious conversation, not... this. We don't “remove” anything (the only exception being when a user asks us to do so for privacy reasons). Personally abusive comments about anyone, including controversial public figures, should always be flagged/killed here, but whether that always happens in practice doesn't change whether the guidelines apply to you. You are very welcome, indeed encouraged, to share your experiences from Microsoft and Apple. We just need you to do it without junking up the place with personal abuse. It's a simple matter of being respectful to this community and the guidelines that make it a place where people want to discuss interesting topics. A comment that consists of nothing more than personal insults about an individual is not “useful” and only drives away people who want to have curious conversations.
    - _d3p9 6mo ago
      1. You have repeatedly made the same point. I've heard you. 2. I just submitted a post [0] about Claude refusing to follow stop hook rules. That post is not visible to anyone but me. My previous submissions are still visible. Did you shadowban me? [0]: [redacted]
      - tomhow 6mo ago