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I'll throw in my own $1.50 , inflation and all. There's definitely loads of money in "education". But the actual teachers arent seeing it. No, its in "special

by nekusar 6mo ago

I'll throw in my own $1.50 , inflation and all. There's definitely loads of money in "education". But the actual teachers arent seeing it. No, its in "special interest programs", state/federal compliance, loads of tests, and ordained material from "preferred creators" (cough, pearson etm.) We can pay teachers better, sure. But there's lots of areas to "pay better". Small classes. 12-17 students. Budget for class resources. No, teachers should NOT be responsible for work materials. Larger classes get aides as well. Ive also seen what modern teaching is about. The teachers are handed absolutely shit material and required to teach that, with low/no deviation. Like, "New Math" https://www.understood.org/en/articles/9-new-math-problems-and-methods https://www.understood.org/en/articles/9-new-math-problems-a... . None of these methods show WHY, only a rote procedure. I thought about becoming a teacher. I already teach people (wide array of adults and under 18) in extracurricular groups. Ive seen what works well, and what doesnt. I can tell the 'energy' of a group, especially if theyre confused and angry about something, and how to solve it. But the pay is definitely laughable compared to IT, and the administration demands exacting rubrics put forth by companies who kicked back the state educators. The responsibility is not worth their salaries or the anti-benefits and other costs.

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OkayPhysicist 6mo ago
> Like, "New Math" https://www.understood.org/en/articles/9-new-math-problems-a https://www.understood.org/en/articles/9-new-math-problems-a... . None of these methods show WHY, only a rote procedure. I'm confused by your comment here. Literally the entire point of teaching those various methods is to show WHY the math works. If anything you should be arguing for rote methods. Some are better than others, but ultimately they're all trying give tools to depict the way any math literate adult thinks about arithmetic.
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rahimnathwani 6mo ago
"But the actual teachers arent seeing it." There are multiple teachers in my local school district whose total compensation is well over $200k: https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/search/?a=school-districts%2Fsan-francisco%2Fsan-francisco-unified&q=teacher&y=2023 https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/search/?a=school-... And, no, this isn't mainly overtime pay. So they're getting paid this much even though they work only 80% as many days as people with normal jobs. If you multiply the compensation numbers by 100/80 to make them comparable with people working full time, the numbers look really large.
- nekusar 6mo ago
  https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/teacher-pay-by-state https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/teacher-pay... Cherrypicking the most expensive area in the country does not defend your claim. Sure, the most expensive locale in the country has a few up there, but even CA's average is 101K. Most of the Midwest is 55-65k. And frankly, given the responsibility, is shit pay.
  - rahimnathwani 6mo ago
    Providing data from the exact place where I live is not 'cherrypicking'. You think 60k in the midwest isn't much, but consider: - you're talking about salary; teachers' total comp in most places is 25% higher than salary (due to retirement benefits) - teachers only work 80% as much as regular folk; so you need to add 25% to make it comparable - in most places, the performance bar for getting and keeping a teaching job is much lower than for other 'professional' jobs 60 × 1.25 × 1.25 ~= 94
    - nekusar 6mo ago
      Damn straight it is. Or better yet, its a classical case of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlier calculations. Im also going to go on a real limb here and say that since the median for CA is 101k, that $207,869.26 is probably outside of 3 SD's. Again, you chose the most expensive state and most expensive city in the country. And yeah, Im calling you on that. Its not indicative for most of us, other than you bay area folks.

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OkayPhysicist 6mo ago

> Like, "New Math" https://www.understood.org/en/articles/9-new-math-problems-a https://www.understood.org/en/articles/9-new-math-problems-a... . None of these methods show WHY, only a rote procedure. I'm confused by your comment here. Literally the entire point of teaching those various methods is to show WHY the math works. If anything you should be arguing for rote methods. Some are better than others, but ultimately they're all trying give tools to depict the way any math literate adult thinks about arithmetic.

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rahimnathwani 6mo ago

"But the actual teachers arent seeing it." There are multiple teachers in my local school district whose total compensation is well over $200k: https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/search/?a=school-districts%2Fsan-francisco%2Fsan-francisco-unified&q=teacher&y=2023 https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/search/?a=school-... And, no, this isn't mainly overtime pay. So they're getting paid this much even though they work only 80% as many days as people with normal jobs. If you multiply the compensation numbers by 100/80 to make them comparable with people working full time, the numbers look really large.

nekusar 6mo ago
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/teacher-pay-by-state https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/teacher-pay... Cherrypicking the most expensive area in the country does not defend your claim. Sure, the most expensive locale in the country has a few up there, but even CA's average is 101K. Most of the Midwest is 55-65k. And frankly, given the responsibility, is shit pay.
- rahimnathwani 6mo ago
  Providing data from the exact place where I live is not 'cherrypicking'. You think 60k in the midwest isn't much, but consider: - you're talking about salary; teachers' total comp in most places is 25% higher than salary (due to retirement benefits) - teachers only work 80% as much as regular folk; so you need to add 25% to make it comparable - in most places, the performance bar for getting and keeping a teaching job is much lower than for other 'professional' jobs 60 × 1.25 × 1.25 ~= 94
  - nekusar 6mo ago
    Damn straight it is. Or better yet, its a classical case of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlier calculations. Im also going to go on a real limb here and say that since the median for CA is 101k, that $207,869.26 is probably outside of 3 SD's. Again, you chose the most expensive state and most expensive city in the country. And yeah, Im calling you on that. Its not indicative for most of us, other than you bay area folks.