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The OP's link is timing out over Tor for me, but the Wayback[1] version loaded without issue. Also, does anyone know of any researchers in the academic world f

by firefax 6mo ago

The OP's link is timing out over Tor for me, but the Wayback[1] version loaded without issue. Also, does anyone know of any researchers in the academic world focusing on this issue? We are aware that EFF has a project that used to be named after a pedophile on this subject, but we are more looking for professors at universities or pure research labs ala MSR or PARC than activists working for NGOs, however pure their praxis :-) As privacy geeks, we have become fascinated with the topic -- it seems that while we can achieve security through extensions like noscript or ublock origin or firefox containers (our personal "holy trinity"), anonymity slips through our fingers due to fingerprinting issues. (Especially if we lump stylometry in the big bucket of "fingerprinting".) [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20260422190706/https://fingerprint.com/blog/firefox-tor-indexeddb-privacy-vulnerability/ https://web.archive.org/web/20260422190706/https://fingerpri...

Cynddl 6mo ago
yes, there’s an active area of research on web fingerprint, both attacks and defences. Look at conferences like PETS for instance
- firefax 6mo ago
  pets is a good conference. i also like anonbib as a central repo for interesting work. https://www.freehaven.net/anonbib/topic.html https://www.freehaven.net/anonbib/topic.html
dirasieb 6mo ago
what are you referring to with that EFF app part?
tomrittervg 6mo ago
Mozilla is working on it. (I know you said 'Academic', but we publish papers sometimes too.)
- firefax 6mo ago
  I'd lump Mozilla into the bucket since it's a nonprofit and open source, it's hard to come up with an objective list of what makes an org "good" so sometimes it's been useful to fall back on the fact that at least in the states, academics are bound by the IRB.
spelledwrong 6mo ago
>We are aware that EFF has a project that used to be named after a pedophile on this subject You bring this up like it's a well known incident, but my googling can find no evidence of it? The only reason not say the name of the project would be if it's common knowledge, but it's not? ChatGPT research reckons you're making it up, and I'd be curious if you have evidence to the contrary?
- firefax 6mo ago
  It used to be called Panoptoclik (sp?), a reference to Foucault's theory of the panopticon. Focault's extracurriculars are well documented and not everything is an "incident" -- it's a thread on fingerprinting. People who study that are aware what is now called "cover your tracks", and people who do post grads tend to be well rounded enough to have read a bit of philosophy, or at least, they did in my day. So what happened here is basically... AI told you that something that made you suspicious because you have zero subject matter expertise is suspect? I'm not really sure how to react to someone who has a robot affirm their anxieties other than to stand by my previous statements and give a polite pointer at some terms to look up on Wikipedia rather than feed into a clanker.
  - gosub100 6mo ago
    You invalidated your initial claim. Panopticon is not a pedo. Therefore the project was not named after one. Therefore the robot was right.
    - firefax 6mo ago
      Foucault was, but if we misunderstand on purpose, the sky is the limit.
      - spelledwrong 6mo ago
        You said “named after” when you meant “named after an idea popularized by”. If you type one thing and expect people to understand that you meant something else then I will have to assume that by this: >>people who do post grads tend to be well rounded enough to have read a bit of philosophy, or at least, they did in my day. you meant you once visited a university but never enrolled in any classes? You can complain that people on the internet misunderstand on purpose (and I agree it is far to common), but that complaint is only valid if you communicate clearly yourself.

by firefax 6mo ago

Cynddl 6mo ago

yes, there’s an active area of research on web fingerprint, both attacks and defences. Look at conferences like PETS for instance

firefax 6mo ago
pets is a good conference. i also like anonbib as a central repo for interesting work. https://www.freehaven.net/anonbib/topic.html https://www.freehaven.net/anonbib/topic.html

dirasieb 6mo ago

what are you referring to with that EFF app part?

tomrittervg 6mo ago

Mozilla is working on it. (I know you said 'Academic', but we publish papers sometimes too.)

firefax 6mo ago
I'd lump Mozilla into the bucket since it's a nonprofit and open source, it's hard to come up with an objective list of what makes an org "good" so sometimes it's been useful to fall back on the fact that at least in the states, academics are bound by the IRB.

spelledwrong 6mo ago

>We are aware that EFF has a project that used to be named after a pedophile on this subject You bring this up like it's a well known incident, but my googling can find no evidence of it? The only reason not say the name of the project would be if it's common knowledge, but it's not? ChatGPT research reckons you're making it up, and I'd be curious if you have evidence to the contrary?

firefax 6mo ago
It used to be called Panoptoclik (sp?), a reference to Foucault's theory of the panopticon. Focault's extracurriculars are well documented and not everything is an "incident" -- it's a thread on fingerprinting. People who study that are aware what is now called "cover your tracks", and people who do post grads tend to be well rounded enough to have read a bit of philosophy, or at least, they did in my day. So what happened here is basically... AI told you that something that made you suspicious because you have zero subject matter expertise is suspect? I'm not really sure how to react to someone who has a robot affirm their anxieties other than to stand by my previous statements and give a polite pointer at some terms to look up on Wikipedia rather than feed into a clanker.
- gosub100 6mo ago
  You invalidated your initial claim. Panopticon is not a pedo. Therefore the project was not named after one. Therefore the robot was right.
  - firefax 6mo ago
    Foucault was, but if we misunderstand on purpose, the sky is the limit.
    - spelledwrong 6mo ago
      You said “named after” when you meant “named after an idea popularized by”. If you type one thing and expect people to understand that you meant something else then I will have to assume that by this: >>people who do post grads tend to be well rounded enough to have read a bit of philosophy, or at least, they did in my day. you meant you once visited a university but never enrolled in any classes? You can complain that people on the internet misunderstand on purpose (and I agree it is far to common), but that complaint is only valid if you communicate clearly yourself.