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You're never going to win this argument, most of the people who post here have never actually shipped a product themselves and only work on isolated features an

You're never going to win this argument, most of the people who post here have never actually shipped a product themselves and only work on isolated features and others have to handle / manage all of this for them so they have no real understanding of what it takes to do it the other crowd that pretends otherwise are larping or only have some generic open source project that only a handful of people use or they only update it every 6 years

embedding-shape 6mo ago
> You're never going to win this argument Probably because there is no "truth" here, only subjective opinion, there is no "winning", only "learning" and "sharing". I could ramble the same about how "people relying on data never shipped an enjoyable thing to people who ended up loving, only care about shipping as fast as possible" and yadda yadda, or I can actually make my points for why I believe what I believe. I do know what I prefer to read, so that's what I try to contribute back.
codedokode 6mo ago
You could hire people to be testers and pay them for the analytics, I think they would even allow you to record the screen if you paid well enough. The problem is that you do not want to pay or get consent, you want to grab the data for free and without permission and without people realizing what you do. And such kind of people deserve much worse treatment than they are treated today.
matheusmoreira 6mo ago
Nobody actually cares "what it takes to do it", that's not our problem. You're not entitled to knowing even a single bit of information about us without our consent. Try innovating a way to do it without spying on people.
account42 6mo ago
> You're never going to win this argument, most of the people who post here have never actually shipped a product themselves and only work on isolated features and others have to handle / manage all of this for them so they have no real understanding of what it takes to do it Have you asked those users or did you conclude this from (likely unrelated) "telemetry" you have gathered?

embedding-shape 6mo ago

> You're never going to win this argument Probably because there is no "truth" here, only subjective opinion, there is no "winning", only "learning" and "sharing". I could ramble the same about how "people relying on data never shipped an enjoyable thing to people who ended up loving, only care about shipping as fast as possible" and yadda yadda, or I can actually make my points for why I believe what I believe. I do know what I prefer to read, so that's what I try to contribute back.

codedokode 6mo ago

You could hire people to be testers and pay them for the analytics, I think they would even allow you to record the screen if you paid well enough. The problem is that you do not want to pay or get consent, you want to grab the data for free and without permission and without people realizing what you do. And such kind of people deserve much worse treatment than they are treated today.

matheusmoreira 6mo ago

Nobody actually cares "what it takes to do it", that's not our problem. You're not entitled to knowing even a single bit of information about us without our consent. Try innovating a way to do it without spying on people.

account42 6mo ago

> You're never going to win this argument, most of the people who post here have never actually shipped a product themselves and only work on isolated features and others have to handle / manage all of this for them so they have no real understanding of what it takes to do it Have you asked those users or did you conclude this from (likely unrelated) "telemetry" you have gathered?