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For MAGA, saying the quiet part out loud, "the west" = white people. While I dislike looking at everything solely through a racial lens, I think in this case it

For MAGA, saying the quiet part out loud, "the west" = white people. While I dislike looking at everything solely through a racial lens, I think in this case it applies.

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santoshalper 6mo ago
There really is no sense in pretending that this is not a white supremacy movement. They are saying it out loud. Now we just need to figure out what this means and how to deal with it.
- charcircuit 6mo ago
  Maintaining the culture of white people does not require white supremacy.
  - none2585 6mo ago
    Separate but equal right?
    - charcircuit 6mo ago
      No, equality is a cop out to avoid the problem of considering some cultures worse or better than others.
  - g4t0r 6mo ago
    "White people" do not have culture. Irish people, German people, Scandivian people: yeah, sure, of course they have culture. But "white" is not a culture, it's a social construct that exists primarily for exclusion. CF: people who are now, and previously weren't, considered white (Poles, Italians, some Jews, etc). If whiteness exists only to delineate the in groups/out groups, the only "culture" of whiteness is that of protecting the power of those deemed to be "white". So, yeah, I think "maintaining the culture of white people" inherently requires a concept of white supremacy.
    - snowpid 6mo ago
      Interesting point and in the European context I do agree. I like to add that if people consider themself as "white", their respective culture is "white culture" though as I know only the USA has such a strong race concept in their culture in opposite to Canada, Brazil, Australia or Germany (all immigration countries)
    - charcircuit 6mo ago
      >"White people" do not have culture. This is a rude statement to claim as you are denying the existence of a group of people. Just because a group can consist of other subgroups that does not mean a larger group does not exist. >it's a social construct that exists primarily for exclusion. Everything can be a social construct if you want to try and frame it as one and while the actual definition may be complex it is not any more complex than other groups of people like Chinese which also consist of subgroups which people may or may not consider the same Chinese as one another. To say that the term of white is used primarily for exclusion that is wrong and I think more reflects the kind of content you consume.
      - coolkewlcuil 5mo ago
        Focus on something useful like cheaper healthcare not culture wars Culture = practice of a cult I thought cults were considered bad? Pearl clutching over words is little more than advocating a religious like dogma for the living Well I am not Christian and similarly to not caring to chant their screeds I have no interest in yours In fact the status quo in the US keeps me off the hook for paying for your healthcare; I am off thr hook for your life itself. You might focus in changing that, because as-is all of us can let you end up living in your car Culture war crap is intended to obfuscate and deflect away from those kinds of real problems our biology faces Be smarter than the politicians and mouth breathers who wave flags
    - dqv 6mo ago
      Ok, but the people who look like me, who have historically been called "white people", do have a distinct, shared culture (or the people who aren't "white" wouldn't be able to point out how we act and what we do and our manner of speech). So what are these people called? What is their culture called? What are we renaming white-people tacos to? (and, no, tostadas are not the same thing as white-people tacos) While I don't think my culture needs to be preserved nor do I care about being a "racial minority" (I live in a neighborhood where the majority of the people who live here are "non-white" - and, no, I didn't gentrify, it's actually just a very young neighborhood), I do want to be able to share my culture and traditions with other people. That's the whole basis of culture... sharing it with others. And there's another thing. People who don't look like me call me "white people". What should they be calling me instead? I think it would be a lot easier to shut white supremacists down if we had competent answers to these questions instead of thought terminating cliches like "white people don't have culture".

For MAGA, saying the quiet part out loud, "the west" = white people. While I dislike looking at everything solely through a racial lens, I think in this case it applies.

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santoshalper 6mo ago

There really is no sense in pretending that this is not a white supremacy movement. They are saying it out loud. Now we just need to figure out what this means and how to deal with it.

charcircuit 6mo ago
Maintaining the culture of white people does not require white supremacy.
- none2585 6mo ago
  Separate but equal right?
  - charcircuit 6mo ago
    No, equality is a cop out to avoid the problem of considering some cultures worse or better than others.
- g4t0r 6mo ago
  "White people" do not have culture. Irish people, German people, Scandivian people: yeah, sure, of course they have culture. But "white" is not a culture, it's a social construct that exists primarily for exclusion. CF: people who are now, and previously weren't, considered white (Poles, Italians, some Jews, etc). If whiteness exists only to delineate the in groups/out groups, the only "culture" of whiteness is that of protecting the power of those deemed to be "white". So, yeah, I think "maintaining the culture of white people" inherently requires a concept of white supremacy.
  - snowpid 6mo ago
    Interesting point and in the European context I do agree. I like to add that if people consider themself as "white", their respective culture is "white culture" though as I know only the USA has such a strong race concept in their culture in opposite to Canada, Brazil, Australia or Germany (all immigration countries)
  - charcircuit 6mo ago
    >"White people" do not have culture. This is a rude statement to claim as you are denying the existence of a group of people. Just because a group can consist of other subgroups that does not mean a larger group does not exist. >it's a social construct that exists primarily for exclusion. Everything can be a social construct if you want to try and frame it as one and while the actual definition may be complex it is not any more complex than other groups of people like Chinese which also consist of subgroups which people may or may not consider the same Chinese as one another. To say that the term of white is used primarily for exclusion that is wrong and I think more reflects the kind of content you consume.
    - coolkewlcuil 5mo ago
      Focus on something useful like cheaper healthcare not culture wars Culture = practice of a cult I thought cults were considered bad? Pearl clutching over words is little more than advocating a religious like dogma for the living Well I am not Christian and similarly to not caring to chant their screeds I have no interest in yours In fact the status quo in the US keeps me off the hook for paying for your healthcare; I am off thr hook for your life itself. You might focus in changing that, because as-is all of us can let you end up living in your car Culture war crap is intended to obfuscate and deflect away from those kinds of real problems our biology faces Be smarter than the politicians and mouth breathers who wave flags
  - dqv 6mo ago
    Ok, but the people who look like me, who have historically been called "white people", do have a distinct, shared culture (or the people who aren't "white" wouldn't be able to point out how we act and what we do and our manner of speech). So what are these people called? What is their culture called? What are we renaming white-people tacos to? (and, no, tostadas are not the same thing as white-people tacos) While I don't think my culture needs to be preserved nor do I care about being a "racial minority" (I live in a neighborhood where the majority of the people who live here are "non-white" - and, no, I didn't gentrify, it's actually just a very young neighborhood), I do want to be able to share my culture and traditions with other people. That's the whole basis of culture... sharing it with others. And there's another thing. People who don't look like me call me "white people". What should they be calling me instead? I think it would be a lot easier to shut white supremacists down if we had competent answers to these questions instead of thought terminating cliches like "white people don't have culture".