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Because there are very specific reasons why people (who actually know his relationship to Apple) don't view him as credible. I don't know how else to communicat

by _d3p9 6mo ago

Because there are very specific reasons why people (who actually know his relationship to Apple) don't view him as credible. I don't know how else to communicate that point.

colesantiago 6mo ago
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- simonw 6mo ago
  I have genuinely no idea how I'm sealioning here. The answer to my question appears to be "it's a secret, I'll tell you in private, everyone at Apple thinks like this". I know at least one person who works at Apple who respects Gruber, so I'm already suspicious of the confidence being expressed here.
  - colesantiago 6mo ago
    This person is more credible than your unknown source and he knows many that doesn't like Gruber. and Simon you're a indie journalist, why don't you contact him and find out?
  - _d3p9 6mo ago
    > The answer to my question appears to be "it's a secret, I'll tell you in private, everyone at Apple thinks like this". Because that is the truth. I have no intention of sharing confidential information publicly. Your take is "someone won't betray their previous employer publicly, so they must be lying." I offered to share my thoughts, work experience, and other details with you privately. I've lost all respect for you as a journalist.
    - simonw 6mo ago
      Before I spend time talking to someone I like to be reasonably confident that it's going to be a valuable conversation. The vibes aren't great here.
      - _d3p9 6mo ago
        What "vibes"? I do NOT like John as a person. That has no bearing on whether or not what I'm claiming is true. I was an engineer at both Microsoft and Apple. I have extensive experience at both companies in how we shared information with 3rd parties and how we intentionally cultivated those relationships for specific purposes. I'm currently building an interesting tool for macOS that Claude can't build on its own. I was considering reaching out to you because I was certain you'd find Claude's responses interesting. It is mind-boggling that this is how you interact with people publicly.
        simonw 6mo ago
        The vibes of starting a thread with "You've never met a more conceited asshole", followed by attacking my credibility with "you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about" and "I am supremely disappointed in your comments here" purely because I asked "what's the grift?". It was mainly the "I am supremely disappointed in your comments here" thing that put me off, I didn't see how that was a reasonable response to what I had commented in this thread.
        _d3p9 6mo ago
        > "You've never met a more conceited asshole" Again, you'd be hard-pressed to find an Apple engineer who has spent any in-person time with John who doesn't have a similar take. > "you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about" There is nothing in this thread, aside from your supposed "friend", that makes me believe you've had any direct contact with Apple employees who know anything about John's relationship with Apple. So, in this specific instance, I have no reason to believe you know what you are talking about. Lastly, I'm not the one who pointed out any grift. My point was that John's relationship to Apple is complicated. You are communicating with someone who helped build two of the most popular development tools of all time, and yet you continue to act like you are above us, poor HN commenters. I've offered to discuss things with you privately (which is the right thing to do, since I have no intention of hurting Apple), and you've ignored it. Anyone who has access to information and yet refuses to engage is not a journalist.

by _d3p9 6mo ago

Because there are very specific reasons why people (who actually know his relationship to Apple) don't view him as credible. I don't know how else to communicate that point.

colesantiago 6mo ago

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simonw 6mo ago
I have genuinely no idea how I'm sealioning here. The answer to my question appears to be "it's a secret, I'll tell you in private, everyone at Apple thinks like this". I know at least one person who works at Apple who respects Gruber, so I'm already suspicious of the confidence being expressed here.
- colesantiago 6mo ago
  This person is more credible than your unknown source and he knows many that doesn't like Gruber. and Simon you're a indie journalist, why don't you contact him and find out?
- _d3p9 6mo ago
  > The answer to my question appears to be "it's a secret, I'll tell you in private, everyone at Apple thinks like this". Because that is the truth. I have no intention of sharing confidential information publicly. Your take is "someone won't betray their previous employer publicly, so they must be lying." I offered to share my thoughts, work experience, and other details with you privately. I've lost all respect for you as a journalist.
  - simonw 6mo ago
    Before I spend time talking to someone I like to be reasonably confident that it's going to be a valuable conversation. The vibes aren't great here.
    - _d3p9 6mo ago
      What "vibes"? I do NOT like John as a person. That has no bearing on whether or not what I'm claiming is true. I was an engineer at both Microsoft and Apple. I have extensive experience at both companies in how we shared information with 3rd parties and how we intentionally cultivated those relationships for specific purposes. I'm currently building an interesting tool for macOS that Claude can't build on its own. I was considering reaching out to you because I was certain you'd find Claude's responses interesting. It is mind-boggling that this is how you interact with people publicly.
      - simonw 6mo ago
        The vibes of starting a thread with "You've never met a more conceited asshole", followed by attacking my credibility with "you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about" and "I am supremely disappointed in your comments here" purely because I asked "what's the grift?". It was mainly the "I am supremely disappointed in your comments here" thing that put me off, I didn't see how that was a reasonable response to what I had commented in this thread.
        _d3p9 6mo ago
        > "You've never met a more conceited asshole" Again, you'd be hard-pressed to find an Apple engineer who has spent any in-person time with John who doesn't have a similar take. > "you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about" There is nothing in this thread, aside from your supposed "friend", that makes me believe you've had any direct contact with Apple employees who know anything about John's relationship with Apple. So, in this specific instance, I have no reason to believe you know what you are talking about. Lastly, I'm not the one who pointed out any grift. My point was that John's relationship to Apple is complicated. You are communicating with someone who helped build two of the most popular development tools of all time, and yet you continue to act like you are above us, poor HN commenters. I've offered to discuss things with you privately (which is the right thing to do, since I have no intention of hurting Apple), and you've ignored it. Anyone who has access to information and yet refuses to engage is not a journalist.