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This is where (surprise surprise) I respect Valve. The hardware survey is opt in and transparent. They get useful info out of it and it’s just..not scummy. The

This is where (surprise surprise) I respect Valve. The hardware survey is opt in and transparent. They get useful info out of it and it’s just..not scummy. There are all sorts of best practices for getting info without vacuuming up everyone’s data in opaque ways.

salomonk_mur 6mo ago
They are analyzing absolutely every click you make, I can guarantee it.
- Forgeties79 6mo ago
  And if you provide evidence of this (and yes I think it is possible) then I will say it’s bad. The hardware survey is not that.
embedding-shape 6mo ago
To be fair, you can be pretty sure they're heavily leveraging all their store data, in loads of ways. They probably sit on the biggest dataset of video game preferences for people in general, and I'm betting they make use of it heavily.
- Forgeties79 6mo ago
  If you have details on what they’re collecting and how they’re using it/if they’re selling it to advertisers/etc, I’m happy to make a judgment. I’m not saying they don’t engage in any of those practices, I am specifically talking about the hardware survey.
  - embedding-shape 6mo ago
    > If you have details on what they’re collecting Well, you can start with everything a typical HTTP request and TCP connection comes with, surely they're already storing those things for "anti-fraud practices", wouldn't be far to imagine this data warehouse is used for analytics and product decisions as well.
    - Forgeties79 6mo ago
      >wouldn’t be far to imagine I explicitly said I agree it’s a distinct possibility, but that’s not proof. If you have actual info on what they collect and how it’s used I can assess it. As it is we don’t know the extent or uses at all, we are speculating.
      - embedding-shape 6mo ago
        Personally if I don't have any evidence of something, I'll leave it unsaid if I like what Valve is doing about that something or not. Saying "We don't have evidence either way, we're just speculating, so therefore I respect what Valve does" feels like the wrong way around. But you do you :)
        Forgeties79 6mo ago
        >But you do you :) This was unnecessary and patronizing. Clearly this won't be productive as it's clear what I am trying to say, but you seem to intent on taking a narrow interpretation of my point to paint me as someone who blindly trusts Valve (I don't). Have a good one man.
- LtWorf 6mo ago
  And you think microsoft isn't already doing that?
  - embedding-shape 6mo ago
    Of course they do, why would I believe otherwise?

salomonk_mur 6mo ago

They are analyzing absolutely every click you make, I can guarantee it.

Forgeties79 6mo ago
And if you provide evidence of this (and yes I think it is possible) then I will say it’s bad. The hardware survey is not that.

embedding-shape 6mo ago

To be fair, you can be pretty sure they're heavily leveraging all their store data, in loads of ways. They probably sit on the biggest dataset of video game preferences for people in general, and I'm betting they make use of it heavily.

Forgeties79 6mo ago
If you have details on what they’re collecting and how they’re using it/if they’re selling it to advertisers/etc, I’m happy to make a judgment. I’m not saying they don’t engage in any of those practices, I am specifically talking about the hardware survey.
- embedding-shape 6mo ago
  > If you have details on what they’re collecting Well, you can start with everything a typical HTTP request and TCP connection comes with, surely they're already storing those things for "anti-fraud practices", wouldn't be far to imagine this data warehouse is used for analytics and product decisions as well.
  - Forgeties79 6mo ago
    >wouldn’t be far to imagine I explicitly said I agree it’s a distinct possibility, but that’s not proof. If you have actual info on what they collect and how it’s used I can assess it. As it is we don’t know the extent or uses at all, we are speculating.
    - embedding-shape 6mo ago
      Personally if I don't have any evidence of something, I'll leave it unsaid if I like what Valve is doing about that something or not. Saying "We don't have evidence either way, we're just speculating, so therefore I respect what Valve does" feels like the wrong way around. But you do you :)
      - Forgeties79 6mo ago
        >But you do you :) This was unnecessary and patronizing. Clearly this won't be productive as it's clear what I am trying to say, but you seem to intent on taking a narrow interpretation of my point to paint me as someone who blindly trusts Valve (I don't). Have a good one man.
LtWorf 6mo ago
And you think microsoft isn't already doing that?
- embedding-shape 6mo ago
  Of course they do, why would I believe otherwise?