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At this point, any US company's products on software and hardware side can be safely considered an espionage asset. Even ignoring well known things like interce
by kakacik 6mo ago
At this point, any US company's products on software and hardware side can be safely considered an espionage asset. Even ignoring well known things like intercepting international packages during transit and putting malware into them.
Same goes obviously for ie Chinese stuff, but I don't think you guys realize how for outsider the border between China and US in terms of morality is practically non-existent now. I don't mean it in any snarky way, just looking at facts.
Also, China doesn't invade countries half around the world and bring them to utter destruction and misery for generations to come, killing thousands to millions of civilians and creating breeding grounds for things like ISIS. They do their own thing, quietly and patiently, with laser focus and for outsiders its at most 'not great not terrible' category.
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- Avicebron 6mo agoIf the US tried their own belt and road people would be screaming about "imperialism/colonialism/white privilege"... thing's aren't as cut and dried as US evil and "oh shucks that clever Chinese government, not great but not terrible"
- thatguy0900 6mo agoI think you would find very few people who think belt and road wouldn't be vastly superior to what the us is doing now
- js8 6mo agoAmerican "belt & road" has been tried, but in a neoliberal way, through WB and IMF, and it has been an utter failure (see Joe Stiglitz or Ha-Joon Chang for examples). Chinese are way more pragmatic (smarter) about it.
- breakyerself 6mo agoI don't remember any violent backlash to the Marshal plan.
- tiberious726 6mo ago#AmericaColonizesEurope
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- leonidasrup 6mo ago> Also, China doesn't invade countries half around the world and bring them to utter destruction and misery for generations to come, killing thousands to millions of civilians and creating breeding grounds for things like ISIS. They do their own thing, quietly and patiently, with laser focus and for outsiders its at most 'not great not terrible' category. Here are a list of things that definitely don't fall under 'not great not terrible' category: Great Leap Forward - estimated 15 million to 55 million people death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward#Deaths_by_famine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward#Deaths_by_f... One-child policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_child_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_child_policy Tiananmen Square protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests... People's Republic of China annexation of Tibet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Tibet_by_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China#Aftermath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Tibet_by_the_Peo... Support of Khmer Rouge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge#Number_of_deaths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge#Number_of_deaths Uyghurs in China - est. ≥1 million detained https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_Chin... Leaders of countries which want to do business with China, most countries in the world, have to talk only very quietly about these "sensitive issues", or better not mention them at all.