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You never really owned what you typed or said at work in to their laptops, into their accounts using their software.

by j45 6mo ago

Gud 6mo ago
Only because you live in a rigged economic system.
pjerem 6mo ago
Idk in the US but in France you are allowed to have personal data on your work computer. Though you have to label it as personal (like creating a « Personal » folder or label and your employer can still access it in case of suspicion but he must do it in your physical presence and accompanied with a witness, generally a representative of the employees. So you theoretically don’t have full privacy on this computer but you can’t be sanctioned for this usage.
- foepys 6mo ago
  Same in Germany, although the employer can forbid this but needs to do this explicitly. Most employers don't forbid personal data on work machines or using your work email for personal things.
- lanyard-textile 6mo ago
  I don't think we have sweeping regulations about it, at least in California. Most companies I've worked at have a policy of some "reasonable personal use" being permitted. The concern is usually focused on the other way around: Companies do not want their IP on your personal machines. They can certainly look at whatever is on their own machines, however, regardless if it is your personal data or not. One large caveat: If you do any work on your company's equipment, they may possibly own it, no matter how relevant it is to the company. It's one of the legal tests used to judge the ownership of your work.
  - sylware 6mo ago
    It is even worse in France: if you code open source "on the side" of you work, at home, the company which employs you may claim the copyrights of it. I had to add explicit exclusion of this claim of copyrights in my job contracts to protect my personal work. That was a few years back, dunno if that was fixed.
    - bialpio 6mo ago
      AFAIK it's the same in the USA, that's why one of the first questions when interviewing with a company is to ask them about their moonlighting policy if you do want to work on a side project.
      - mindcrime 6mo ago
        > AFAIK it's the same in the USA It varies by state in the USA. Some states have strong protections for work you do "on your own time, on your own equipment, that isn't connected to your work." Others, not so much...
    - roysting 6mo ago
      That is not correct; assuming you are not using an employer’s equipment on employer’s time, and/or working on what the employer pays you to do for them or are working on something that is competing and a few other reasonable caveats. It’s actually quite reasonable and logical. https://french-business-law.com/french-legislation-art/article-l113-9-1-of-the-french-intellectual-property-code/ https://french-business-law.com/french-legislation-art/artic...
      - sylware 6mo ago
        As far as I was told, this is not enough, you have to add extra legal care, even more if you are on an 'executive' type job contract, and you have to double that if there is "too much" connection/"look-a-like", between the software at work and the open source software you contribute to "at home". On an french executive like contract, the boundary between "at home" and "at work" is very, very blurry.
- Der_Einzige 6mo ago
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  - kakacik 6mo ago
    Thats... a poorly crafted mumble jumble without any underlying sense, even ignoring insults. Can't handle existence of society where quality of life is higher priority (and you see it on the ground very well) than some sum on account or meaningless titles and rat race achievements or office zero sum games?
  - javascriptfan69 6mo ago
    Is this supposed to be funny
    - DonHopkins 6mo ago
      It's obviously an unwitting parody account. Calling yourself "Der Einzige" while reciting an incoherent script of internet clichés is indistinguishable from satire -- hilariously unintentional parody.
  - Ekaros 6mo ago
    Not having AI companies is reasonable trade off for not having all of my data including full DNA sequence being recorded 24/7 with absolutely zero care of privacy or protection and shared with everyone who has some marginal amount of money to buy it.
  - pjerem 6mo ago
    I couldn't care less. Statistically I will live longer and be happier than "Live to work" anglo protestant" so I really don' mind about GenAI stuff.
  - throw-the-towel 6mo ago
    Ignoring the rest of your comment, what the hell did de Gaulle do to you?
  - hluska 6mo ago
- j45 6mo ago
  Reasonable personal use does not at all in any universe imply privacy from a personal perspective. Is the same reason why they have to say reasonable. It’s best to have separate devices so they just don’t have the intelligence about you. That can be permanent, left behind, and then increasingly possibly available to AI models forever.
wiseowise 6mo ago
I mean, even if there’s no law to handle this it’s a pretty shitty thing to do, don’t you think?
metabagel 6mo ago
Sure, but our employers weren't selling our intermediate contributions to third parties in the past.

You never really owned what you typed or said at work in to their laptops, into their accounts using their software.

by j45 6mo ago

You never really owned what you typed or said at work in to their laptops, into their accounts using their software.

Gud 6mo ago

Only because you live in a rigged economic system.

pjerem 6mo ago

Idk in the US but in France you are allowed to have personal data on your work computer. Though you have to label it as personal (like creating a « Personal » folder or label and your employer can still access it in case of suspicion but he must do it in your physical presence and accompanied with a witness, generally a representative of the employees. So you theoretically don’t have full privacy on this computer but you can’t be sanctioned for this usage.

foepys 6mo ago
Same in Germany, although the employer can forbid this but needs to do this explicitly. Most employers don't forbid personal data on work machines or using your work email for personal things.
lanyard-textile 6mo ago
I don't think we have sweeping regulations about it, at least in California. Most companies I've worked at have a policy of some "reasonable personal use" being permitted. The concern is usually focused on the other way around: Companies do not want their IP on your personal machines. They can certainly look at whatever is on their own machines, however, regardless if it is your personal data or not. One large caveat: If you do any work on your company's equipment, they may possibly own it, no matter how relevant it is to the company. It's one of the legal tests used to judge the ownership of your work.
- sylware 6mo ago
  It is even worse in France: if you code open source "on the side" of you work, at home, the company which employs you may claim the copyrights of it. I had to add explicit exclusion of this claim of copyrights in my job contracts to protect my personal work. That was a few years back, dunno if that was fixed.
  - bialpio 6mo ago
    AFAIK it's the same in the USA, that's why one of the first questions when interviewing with a company is to ask them about their moonlighting policy if you do want to work on a side project.
    - mindcrime 6mo ago
      > AFAIK it's the same in the USA It varies by state in the USA. Some states have strong protections for work you do "on your own time, on your own equipment, that isn't connected to your work." Others, not so much...
  - roysting 6mo ago
    That is not correct; assuming you are not using an employer’s equipment on employer’s time, and/or working on what the employer pays you to do for them or are working on something that is competing and a few other reasonable caveats. It’s actually quite reasonable and logical. https://french-business-law.com/french-legislation-art/article-l113-9-1-of-the-french-intellectual-property-code/ https://french-business-law.com/french-legislation-art/artic...
    - sylware 6mo ago
      As far as I was told, this is not enough, you have to add extra legal care, even more if you are on an 'executive' type job contract, and you have to double that if there is "too much" connection/"look-a-like", between the software at work and the open source software you contribute to "at home". On an french executive like contract, the boundary between "at home" and "at work" is very, very blurry.
Der_Einzige 6mo ago
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- kakacik 6mo ago
  Thats... a poorly crafted mumble jumble without any underlying sense, even ignoring insults. Can't handle existence of society where quality of life is higher priority (and you see it on the ground very well) than some sum on account or meaningless titles and rat race achievements or office zero sum games?
- javascriptfan69 6mo ago
  Is this supposed to be funny
  - DonHopkins 6mo ago
    It's obviously an unwitting parody account. Calling yourself "Der Einzige" while reciting an incoherent script of internet clichés is indistinguishable from satire -- hilariously unintentional parody.
- Ekaros 6mo ago
  Not having AI companies is reasonable trade off for not having all of my data including full DNA sequence being recorded 24/7 with absolutely zero care of privacy or protection and shared with everyone who has some marginal amount of money to buy it.
- pjerem 6mo ago
  I couldn't care less. Statistically I will live longer and be happier than "Live to work" anglo protestant" so I really don' mind about GenAI stuff.
- throw-the-towel 6mo ago
  Ignoring the rest of your comment, what the hell did de Gaulle do to you?
- hluska 6mo ago
j45 6mo ago
Reasonable personal use does not at all in any universe imply privacy from a personal perspective. Is the same reason why they have to say reasonable. It’s best to have separate devices so they just don’t have the intelligence about you. That can be permanent, left behind, and then increasingly possibly available to AI models forever.

wiseowise 6mo ago

I mean, even if there’s no law to handle this it’s a pretty shitty thing to do, don’t you think?

metabagel 6mo ago

Sure, but our employers weren't selling our intermediate contributions to third parties in the past.