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Being a homeowner, you get a title to your lot, not your entire neighborhood. You have no legal claim on your neighbor's home. If you want a legal claim on your

Being a homeowner, you get a title to your lot, not your entire neighborhood. You have no legal claim on your neighbor's home. If you want a legal claim on your neighbor's home, join an HOA. Or just buy it.

noosphr 6mo ago
You do. It's called zoning.
- vkou 6mo ago
  It's a beautiful state of affairs when owners of property can collude for their interests with almost no restrictions, but worker unions are almost entirely defanged.
  - noosphr 6mo ago
    With good reason: https://www.cfmeuinquiry.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/897476/gw-13-watson-report-victoria-redacted.pdf https://www.cfmeuinquiry.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0... I have paid between $3,000 and $6,000 personally to organized crime so a bunch of bogans can buy American suvs to kill cyclists more efficiently.
    - vkou 6mo ago
      Meanwhile, nobody bats an eye when housing prices inflate $300,000 because existing homeowners are doing their fucking hardest to make sure that no new homes get built.
      - noosphr 6mo ago
        Yes, home owners: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/12/canada-migration-levels-housing-costs-australia-ntwnfb https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/12/canada-migrati... Funny how when you hit the breaks on pupulation growth house prices also freeze.
        vkou 6mo ago
        And then a decade of that later, all the people bitching about immigration will be wondering why the country's demographics resemble that of a nursing home, and why the tax base and the social safety net has collapsed.
        noosphr 6mo ago
        The social safety net has collapsed _today_. Hospital wait times in Canada, Australia and the UK are _years_ for elective procedures. I had a health scare three years ago and got put on the public waiting list. I still get a message every 6 months to remind me that I'm on the waiting list. I've still to advance far enough up the queue to get a date booked. This is not normal.
        vkou 6mo ago
        > The social safety net has collapsed _today_. It can always collapse more. Ask anyone who lived through an actual economic collapse. (As opposed to the kinds of minor corrections that the West has seen over the past few decades.) Your imagination is very limited if you can't think of what the long-term consequence for a country with an average age of 41.6, a fertility rate of 1.25, and a huge political block of nativists who can't do basic arithmetic, are asking for something incredibly stupid, are getting exactly what they want, good and hard. You solve a housing shortage by... Building more housing. Not by driving young people who want to do work out of your community.
        noosphr 6mo ago
        Destroy your society today so it doesn't get potentially destroyed in 30 years is certainly a take. >You solve a housing shortage by... Building more housing. It's not housing. It's roads. Hospitals. Schools. Sewers. Power lines. Everything needs to be rebuilt. That means that the immigrants who are coming in must be engineers, doctors, teachers, tradies. Instead we get uber drivers and IT consultants. There aren't enough qualified people in the world to keep up with current immigration to the west. The only solution is to lower immigration until the ratio of qualified people coming in matches (or hopefully exceeds) the ratio of qualified people already here. Anything else lowers living standards and makes a right wing reaction inevitable. Here's what happens when you build more housing: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-25/one-hour-delays-along-single-road-in-and-out-of-melbourne-estate/102774724 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-25/one-hour-delays-along...
- darksaints 6mo ago
  I'd be willing to bet you every last dollar on the planet that if you read your deed, you will find zero claims to any particular zoning. Zoning is not a transferable property right. It can be changed for any reason at any time.
  - mothballed 6mo ago
    ... with a vote. And subject to the takings clause. The government can also just take your deed and property, again subject to the takings clause, so long as they pay you back. Or claim someone was slinging crack there or something and not pay you back. If you're including things subject to the democratic process all the above is on the table. Also plenty of things written into the deed don't mean shit. It's quite common to read a deed that says something like, in more fluffed terms "no black people allowed." This got baked into lots of deeds back in the day and never got changed because removing covenants to a deed is usually next to impossible. It doesn't mean dick because again the government can simply add or subtract by fiat what your deed actually means. What your deed is and isn't is a lot closer to how zoning works than you think. Ranchers found this out when their transferrable private property grazing rights tracing back to the very founding era of the USA got usurped by the government and ultimately the BLM who turned around and actually said they're public federal property (which resulted in things like, the Bundy standoff).
    - darksaints 6mo ago
      If your neighborhood's zoning isn't in your deed, how are you going to claim it was taken from you? Zoning is a restriction on your rights...when they are lifted, you are gaining more tangible rights, not losing them. If anything, the takings clause should have applied to properties where zoning was introduced...not where it was removed.
  - wallst07 6mo ago
    So can the US constitution through amendments, but it's not easy.
  - ckemere 6mo ago
    I’d love to take that bet. My deed (in Texas) states that my lot is subject to the rules of the subdivision which include a number of zoning style restrictions. (They’re called “deed restrictions” and are very common AFAIK.) The subdivision rules are changeable only with a supermajority vote. I believe the city (Houston in my case) is prohibited by the state from unilaterally changing them. (I wouldn’t mind more free property rights!!! I find TX “liberty” is often biased towards $$$)
- mpyne 6mo ago
  Zoning belongs to all the voters in the municipality, not just the homeowners.
- Izikiel43 6mo ago
  I have a bridge to sell you

noosphr 6mo ago

You do. It's called zoning.

vkou 6mo ago
It's a beautiful state of affairs when owners of property can collude for their interests with almost no restrictions, but worker unions are almost entirely defanged.
- noosphr 6mo ago
  With good reason: https://www.cfmeuinquiry.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/897476/gw-13-watson-report-victoria-redacted.pdf https://www.cfmeuinquiry.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0... I have paid between $3,000 and $6,000 personally to organized crime so a bunch of bogans can buy American suvs to kill cyclists more efficiently.
  - vkou 6mo ago
    Meanwhile, nobody bats an eye when housing prices inflate $300,000 because existing homeowners are doing their fucking hardest to make sure that no new homes get built.
    - noosphr 6mo ago
      Yes, home owners: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/12/canada-migration-levels-housing-costs-australia-ntwnfb https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/12/canada-migrati... Funny how when you hit the breaks on pupulation growth house prices also freeze.
      - vkou 6mo ago
        And then a decade of that later, all the people bitching about immigration will be wondering why the country's demographics resemble that of a nursing home, and why the tax base and the social safety net has collapsed.
        noosphr 6mo ago
        The social safety net has collapsed _today_. Hospital wait times in Canada, Australia and the UK are _years_ for elective procedures. I had a health scare three years ago and got put on the public waiting list. I still get a message every 6 months to remind me that I'm on the waiting list. I've still to advance far enough up the queue to get a date booked. This is not normal.
        vkou 6mo ago
        > The social safety net has collapsed _today_. It can always collapse more. Ask anyone who lived through an actual economic collapse. (As opposed to the kinds of minor corrections that the West has seen over the past few decades.) Your imagination is very limited if you can't think of what the long-term consequence for a country with an average age of 41.6, a fertility rate of 1.25, and a huge political block of nativists who can't do basic arithmetic, are asking for something incredibly stupid, are getting exactly what they want, good and hard. You solve a housing shortage by... Building more housing. Not by driving young people who want to do work out of your community.
        noosphr 6mo ago
        Destroy your society today so it doesn't get potentially destroyed in 30 years is certainly a take. >You solve a housing shortage by... Building more housing. It's not housing. It's roads. Hospitals. Schools. Sewers. Power lines. Everything needs to be rebuilt. That means that the immigrants who are coming in must be engineers, doctors, teachers, tradies. Instead we get uber drivers and IT consultants. There aren't enough qualified people in the world to keep up with current immigration to the west. The only solution is to lower immigration until the ratio of qualified people coming in matches (or hopefully exceeds) the ratio of qualified people already here. Anything else lowers living standards and makes a right wing reaction inevitable. Here's what happens when you build more housing: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-25/one-hour-delays-along-single-road-in-and-out-of-melbourne-estate/102774724 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-25/one-hour-delays-along...
darksaints 6mo ago
I'd be willing to bet you every last dollar on the planet that if you read your deed, you will find zero claims to any particular zoning. Zoning is not a transferable property right. It can be changed for any reason at any time.
- mothballed 6mo ago
  ... with a vote. And subject to the takings clause. The government can also just take your deed and property, again subject to the takings clause, so long as they pay you back. Or claim someone was slinging crack there or something and not pay you back. If you're including things subject to the democratic process all the above is on the table. Also plenty of things written into the deed don't mean shit. It's quite common to read a deed that says something like, in more fluffed terms "no black people allowed." This got baked into lots of deeds back in the day and never got changed because removing covenants to a deed is usually next to impossible. It doesn't mean dick because again the government can simply add or subtract by fiat what your deed actually means. What your deed is and isn't is a lot closer to how zoning works than you think. Ranchers found this out when their transferrable private property grazing rights tracing back to the very founding era of the USA got usurped by the government and ultimately the BLM who turned around and actually said they're public federal property (which resulted in things like, the Bundy standoff).
  - darksaints 6mo ago
    If your neighborhood's zoning isn't in your deed, how are you going to claim it was taken from you? Zoning is a restriction on your rights...when they are lifted, you are gaining more tangible rights, not losing them. If anything, the takings clause should have applied to properties where zoning was introduced...not where it was removed.
- wallst07 6mo ago
  So can the US constitution through amendments, but it's not easy.
- ckemere 6mo ago
  I’d love to take that bet. My deed (in Texas) states that my lot is subject to the rules of the subdivision which include a number of zoning style restrictions. (They’re called “deed restrictions” and are very common AFAIK.) The subdivision rules are changeable only with a supermajority vote. I believe the city (Houston in my case) is prohibited by the state from unilaterally changing them. (I wouldn’t mind more free property rights!!! I find TX “liberty” is often biased towards $$$)
mpyne 6mo ago
Zoning belongs to all the voters in the municipality, not just the homeowners.
Izikiel43 6mo ago
I have a bridge to sell you