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You said logical reasons but all you did was repeat standard anti marxist rhetoric a few times. Nations run on internal logic, like all things. Chinas demonstra

You said logical reasons but all you did was repeat standard anti marxist rhetoric a few times. Nations run on internal logic, like all things. Chinas demonstrated interests dont include me. the USA on the other hand, has a history of being unpredictable and invading without any real intent or purpose. You appeal to history but just compare all the aggressive wars started by the USA vs China since WW2. Tell me who to be more scared of. China hasn't even done much more than pay lip service to Marx since Deng anyway. They are just the most stable, reliable capitalist superpower right now.

CMay 6mo ago
You mean, since the US defended China from Japan? Since the US defended South Korea from North Korea and China? Since we made the decision to allow China into global trade to lift it out of poverty and potentially liberalize its government despite the risk communism posed? Just because you were told that the US has no intent or purpose behind its actions, doesn't mean it's true. Do you somehow believe that every country has reasons for things, except for the most powerful country in history? If so, that is a very unreasonable belief. Some people are taught to hate the US, some people are taught to love the US, others are taught to think for themselves. Marxists were openly interested in global imperialism, it's just that it was psychological imperialism backed by military follow-up. I would like to see China as neutral-good and look at some Chinese brands as if they were a Sony, LG, Samsung, IKEA, Spotify, TSMC, etc. Unfortunately that is not possible: https://www.csis.org/analysis/new-challenge-communist-corporate-governance https://www.csis.org/analysis/new-challenge-communist-corpor... Vietnam is communist too and they aren't always treating their people the best either, but they haven't been showing a lot of obvious signs of trying to expand physically or ideologically. > China hasn't even done much more than pay lip service to Marx since Deng anyway. They are just the most stable, reliable capitalist superpower right now. Reformists have been getting purged. There was a time where we could imagine China giving up on Marxism, but that may be less likely now.
- protocolture 6mo ago
  >You mean, since the US defended China from Japan? Is that what happened? That feels like a massive stretch considering who the US backed in the Chinese civil war. >Since we made the decision to allow China into global trade Thats another great example. The USA only ever serves to damage global trade. Really good point well made. >Just because you were told that the US has no intent or purpose behind its actions, doesn't mean it's true. Lmao. > Do you somehow believe that every country has reasons for things, except for the most powerful country in history? If so, that is a very unreasonable belief. The USA has reasons, they are just usually incredibly sucky reasons. And then hawks come in after the fact and make up retrospective reasons to try and justify further dumb interventions. This process is what makes the US extremely dangerous to world peace. >Some people are taught to hate the US, some people are taught to love the US, others are taught to think for themselves. Real "I am a dangerous free thinker" shit. > Marxists were openly interested in global imperialism, it's just that it was psychological imperialism backed by military follow-up. And you see that ideology as a threat to US Global Imperialism, and you have internalised US Global Imperialism as part of your personality, I get it. >I would like to see China as neutral-good and look at some Chinese brands as if they were a Sony, LG, Samsung, IKEA, Spotify, TSMC, etc. Unfortunately that is not possible: https://www.csis.org/analysis/new-challenge-communist-corpor https://www.csis.org/analysis/new-challenge-communist-corpor... The difference between this and something like the US All Writs Act, or Australias Access and Assistance bill is super negligible. Just the overt trappings of single party politics really differentiate it. The US, and its allies are equally capable at compelling corporate action. I know its scary when the red guys do it, but if you want me to care about this, you would need the US and friends to not be leading the charge. >Reformists have been getting purged. There was a time where we could imagine China giving up on Marxism, but that may be less likely now. I could literally sit down, go through every single piece of Chinese history for the last 20 years and recontextualise it for a US audience. The problem is largely that you dont believe in their legal system. And fair cop, just like the national security courts in the USA theres literally no oversight. So when they disappear someone in the government, and claim they were a traitor, you say that's bad. Fair enough. But thats just noise to me. Because I dont trust the US legal system either. The purges are sold internally as fighting dissent and corruption. If the US government took precisely the same action with precisely the same justification you would be clapping like a seal, and trying to convince others using your "dangerous free thinker" powers. Reality is Xi is getting rid of his internal enemies. He is very good at this. This isn't necessarily leading to more or less marxism, just determining how long we will be dealing with Xi.

CMay 6mo ago

You mean, since the US defended China from Japan? Since the US defended South Korea from North Korea and China? Since we made the decision to allow China into global trade to lift it out of poverty and potentially liberalize its government despite the risk communism posed? Just because you were told that the US has no intent or purpose behind its actions, doesn't mean it's true. Do you somehow believe that every country has reasons for things, except for the most powerful country in history? If so, that is a very unreasonable belief. Some people are taught to hate the US, some people are taught to love the US, others are taught to think for themselves. Marxists were openly interested in global imperialism, it's just that it was psychological imperialism backed by military follow-up. I would like to see China as neutral-good and look at some Chinese brands as if they were a Sony, LG, Samsung, IKEA, Spotify, TSMC, etc. Unfortunately that is not possible: https://www.csis.org/analysis/new-challenge-communist-corporate-governance https://www.csis.org/analysis/new-challenge-communist-corpor... Vietnam is communist too and they aren't always treating their people the best either, but they haven't been showing a lot of obvious signs of trying to expand physically or ideologically. > China hasn't even done much more than pay lip service to Marx since Deng anyway. They are just the most stable, reliable capitalist superpower right now. Reformists have been getting purged. There was a time where we could imagine China giving up on Marxism, but that may be less likely now.

protocolture 6mo ago
>You mean, since the US defended China from Japan? Is that what happened? That feels like a massive stretch considering who the US backed in the Chinese civil war. >Since we made the decision to allow China into global trade Thats another great example. The USA only ever serves to damage global trade. Really good point well made. >Just because you were told that the US has no intent or purpose behind its actions, doesn't mean it's true. Lmao. > Do you somehow believe that every country has reasons for things, except for the most powerful country in history? If so, that is a very unreasonable belief. The USA has reasons, they are just usually incredibly sucky reasons. And then hawks come in after the fact and make up retrospective reasons to try and justify further dumb interventions. This process is what makes the US extremely dangerous to world peace. >Some people are taught to hate the US, some people are taught to love the US, others are taught to think for themselves. Real "I am a dangerous free thinker" shit. > Marxists were openly interested in global imperialism, it's just that it was psychological imperialism backed by military follow-up. And you see that ideology as a threat to US Global Imperialism, and you have internalised US Global Imperialism as part of your personality, I get it. >I would like to see China as neutral-good and look at some Chinese brands as if they were a Sony, LG, Samsung, IKEA, Spotify, TSMC, etc. Unfortunately that is not possible: https://www.csis.org/analysis/new-challenge-communist-corpor https://www.csis.org/analysis/new-challenge-communist-corpor... The difference between this and something like the US All Writs Act, or Australias Access and Assistance bill is super negligible. Just the overt trappings of single party politics really differentiate it. The US, and its allies are equally capable at compelling corporate action. I know its scary when the red guys do it, but if you want me to care about this, you would need the US and friends to not be leading the charge. >Reformists have been getting purged. There was a time where we could imagine China giving up on Marxism, but that may be less likely now. I could literally sit down, go through every single piece of Chinese history for the last 20 years and recontextualise it for a US audience. The problem is largely that you dont believe in their legal system. And fair cop, just like the national security courts in the USA theres literally no oversight. So when they disappear someone in the government, and claim they were a traitor, you say that's bad. Fair enough. But thats just noise to me. Because I dont trust the US legal system either. The purges are sold internally as fighting dissent and corruption. If the US government took precisely the same action with precisely the same justification you would be clapping like a seal, and trying to convince others using your "dangerous free thinker" powers. Reality is Xi is getting rid of his internal enemies. He is very good at this. This isn't necessarily leading to more or less marxism, just determining how long we will be dealing with Xi.