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1) Reliable sandbox 2) Nixos makes it easy for agents to research, debug and patch every aspect of the system, even applying kernel patches for the sake of deb

1) Reliable sandbox 2) Nixos makes it easy for agents to research, debug and patch every aspect of the system, even applying kernel patches for the sake of debugging 3) CLI-oriented toolchains. Claude spent around 17 hours trying to set up xcode publishing and in the end just told me to press the button once Organizer pops up. 4) Containers

koiueo 6mo ago
Containers are great. But on MBP I have rancher, and a beautiful mirror-like screen, and that enormous trackpad which can fit my momma's fat ass. No technical argument will fit with the mindset of an average dev preferring MacBook.
- bigyabai 6mo ago
  Tough sell, I can buy a Magic Trackpad and use it on any machine I want.
  - koiueo 6mo ago
    The /s should have been obvious. I wouldn't try selling MacBooks to anyone. It's the worst popular device in terms of ergonomics, paired with OS that is incredibly hostile to developers and power users
    - jim33442 6mo ago
      Don't worry, they don't need help selling it
cassianoleal 6mo ago
Thanks! 1. I won't be using NixOS so that point is moot to me. 2. Reliable sandbox I can get using Apple Containers. I won't argue that the Linux experience is better, because it is. Alone it wouldn't be a reason for me to switch but it does count towards it. 3. Fair enough, I haven't had that issue on the Mac but that may just be because I'm working with other kinds of tech or I have the things I need installed in a different way. 4. Same as 2, really - unless I misunderstood you. I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I have been primarily a Mac user for longer than I care to admit and lately macOS and the ecossystem have been growing more hostile to me. I've been on the lookout for a Linux laptop that wouldn't feel like much of a downgrade and the Framework 13 might be it so I'm trying to get as much information as I can before I commit (especially money) to the switch.
- pshirshov 6mo ago
  > apple containers Virtual machines. I can't ask claude to figure out an issue on the hw host w/o falling back to per-action confirmations or giving it full unconditional access. When everything runs on one host I can organize controllable sandbox escapes for Claude and let it work in huge batches with minimal attention. > won't be using Well, that's your choice to avoid efficient agentic workflows > misunderstood There are no containers on mac, there are VMs hosting containers and subtractive sandbox filtering syscalls. > get as much FW 13 is great, FW 16 is a disaster.
  - cassianoleal 6mo ago
    > I can't ask claude to figure out an issue on the hw host w/o falling back to per-action confirmations or giving it full unconditional access. Yeah that seems to confirm my suspicion that we have very different use cases. :) > I can't ask claude to figure out an issue on the hw host w/o falling back to per-action confirmations or giving it full unconditional access. Doesn't help me if the agent is efficient but I'm not. :D > There are no containers on mac, there are VMs hosting containers and subtractive sandbox filtering syscalls. I understand the tech. It serves the purpose I need from it. > FW 13 is great, FW 16 is a disaster. Thanks! I did take a quick peek at the 16 but I find it too big anyway.
  - jim33442 6mo ago
    Why do you need agents patching your kernel to enable efficient agentic workflows? Are those agents working on building a kernel? If they're just building some web backend or whatever, I don't see why any of this is needed.
- jim33442 6mo ago
  I don't get #3 because all those CLIs work on Mac too. You're only forced to use Xcode if you're doing certain Apple platform dev, which does suck, but is there a better Linux-only alternative for that?

koiueo 6mo ago

Containers are great. But on MBP I have rancher, and a beautiful mirror-like screen, and that enormous trackpad which can fit my momma's fat ass. No technical argument will fit with the mindset of an average dev preferring MacBook.

bigyabai 6mo ago
Tough sell, I can buy a Magic Trackpad and use it on any machine I want.
- koiueo 6mo ago
  The /s should have been obvious. I wouldn't try selling MacBooks to anyone. It's the worst popular device in terms of ergonomics, paired with OS that is incredibly hostile to developers and power users
  - jim33442 6mo ago
    Don't worry, they don't need help selling it

cassianoleal 6mo ago

Thanks! 1. I won't be using NixOS so that point is moot to me. 2. Reliable sandbox I can get using Apple Containers. I won't argue that the Linux experience is better, because it is. Alone it wouldn't be a reason for me to switch but it does count towards it. 3. Fair enough, I haven't had that issue on the Mac but that may just be because I'm working with other kinds of tech or I have the things I need installed in a different way. 4. Same as 2, really - unless I misunderstood you. I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I have been primarily a Mac user for longer than I care to admit and lately macOS and the ecossystem have been growing more hostile to me. I've been on the lookout for a Linux laptop that wouldn't feel like much of a downgrade and the Framework 13 might be it so I'm trying to get as much information as I can before I commit (especially money) to the switch.

pshirshov 6mo ago
> apple containers Virtual machines. I can't ask claude to figure out an issue on the hw host w/o falling back to per-action confirmations or giving it full unconditional access. When everything runs on one host I can organize controllable sandbox escapes for Claude and let it work in huge batches with minimal attention. > won't be using Well, that's your choice to avoid efficient agentic workflows > misunderstood There are no containers on mac, there are VMs hosting containers and subtractive sandbox filtering syscalls. > get as much FW 13 is great, FW 16 is a disaster.
- cassianoleal 6mo ago
  > I can't ask claude to figure out an issue on the hw host w/o falling back to per-action confirmations or giving it full unconditional access. Yeah that seems to confirm my suspicion that we have very different use cases. :) > I can't ask claude to figure out an issue on the hw host w/o falling back to per-action confirmations or giving it full unconditional access. Doesn't help me if the agent is efficient but I'm not. :D > There are no containers on mac, there are VMs hosting containers and subtractive sandbox filtering syscalls. I understand the tech. It serves the purpose I need from it. > FW 13 is great, FW 16 is a disaster. Thanks! I did take a quick peek at the 16 but I find it too big anyway.
- jim33442 6mo ago
  Why do you need agents patching your kernel to enable efficient agentic workflows? Are those agents working on building a kernel? If they're just building some web backend or whatever, I don't see why any of this is needed.
jim33442 6mo ago
I don't get #3 because all those CLIs work on Mac too. You're only forced to use Xcode if you're doing certain Apple platform dev, which does suck, but is there a better Linux-only alternative for that?