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Why is management at Anthropic trying so hard to ruin their reputation with developers? I missed the OpenClaw hype but it was something that kept me excited abo

Why is management at Anthropic trying so hard to ruin their reputation with developers? I missed the OpenClaw hype but it was something that kept me excited about my yearly subscription. It makes no sense to do one of the higher tier plans unless they are directly generating you money.

verdverm 6mo ago
Also note that they are letting OpenClaw be used again with `claude -p`, so a partial reversal
- Xunjin 6mo ago
  And I thought MS was confused one on how to do pricing and business decisions.
  - dd8601fn 6mo ago
    Last I saw they have 21 products or services named Copilot. I think they still win the confusion prize.
    - Xunjin 6mo ago
      We should have "The Copilot Award goes to..." Every year for the most confusing product name/lineup
      - dd8601fn 6mo ago
        I love it. It’ll be doubly funny when the Xbox marketing team wins the Copilot Confusion Award.
- jamietanna 6mo ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47853799 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47853799 for the curious
mrhottakes 6mo ago
they don't care about their reputation with devs, they care about their reputation with people that can write them big fat checks
- plutokras 6mo ago
  At my company, devs were the ones pushing for the Claude subscription. Left to management, we would have only had GitHub Copilot – we already have an existing relationship with them and the tool is good enough. If Anthropic is intent on losing the goodwill of the devs, they might not be happy with the consequences. Their product is quite commoditized at this point – the latest GPT, Gemini or GLM is just as good for most enterprise tasks.
  - michaelcampbell 6mo ago
    Exactly the same for me, and I'm now ... "worried" isn't quite right, but you know what I mean, that they will back out. But to what? We had copilot before which was cheaper, and worked reasonably well with the A\ models, but I'm not even sure those will be there (Opus is no longer on my cheapest paid Copilot sub at home), and I've no doubt OpenAI will jack up their prices soon enough and/or do the "exclusivity" thing so they can only be accessed by their own clients.
fg137 6mo ago
They care about developers from companies that are on their team/enterprise plans or using bedrock. Individual users barely matter. That's probably also the same group that decides to switch to Codex/Kimi/[whatever the hottest agent on any given day] on a whim, which Anthropic doesn't necessarily want to do business with.
- tayo42 6mo ago
  > Individual users barely matter. Individuals are the ones that push for new tools at work though.
  - fg137 6mo ago
    A fraction of them do. Many just use whatever the employer provides to get their job done. HN users only represent a small sample of the overall software developers which is nowhere nearly enthusiastic about new things. Source: what I witnessed at my company
    - azuanrb 6mo ago
      In the end, companies are made of individuals. In my previous company, I'm one of the individual who advocate for Claude Code adoption. Amongst my circle too, most who have the authority to make an impact on the AI direction. Safe to say I no longer suggest Anthropic to anyone anymore.
    - nunez 6mo ago
      This is facts. Most of the devs at the huge companies Anthropic and the like try to court are using Copilot since it comes with MS365.
- sidrag22 6mo ago
  feel like its beyond optimistic on their part, just starting to hear their name be blended with companies desires on job listings, and they are destroying the goodwill of the devs who surely are the main reason their name has landed there. They aren't dug in like a microsoft, maybe they get some staying power for nocode people who feel trapped, but im done with their nonsense already and won't recommend them anywhere. Other stuff is good enough already to match.
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papichulo2023 6mo ago
Where I work. Medium size, base in Europe company. It is paying over 1800 per dev in AI tools. Home users stand no chance.
- hirvi74 6mo ago
  Per what time frame? Day, week, month, or year?
dear_prudence 6mo ago
I suspect their ICP is changing from developers to enterprise decision makers, completely different personas
romanovcode 6mo ago
They got contracts from Enterprises now
michaelcampbell 6mo ago
> Why is management at Anthropic trying so hard to ruin their reputation with developers? They follow the money, like every other company.

verdverm 6mo ago

Also note that they are letting OpenClaw be used again with `claude -p`, so a partial reversal

Xunjin 6mo ago
And I thought MS was confused one on how to do pricing and business decisions.
- dd8601fn 6mo ago
  Last I saw they have 21 products or services named Copilot. I think they still win the confusion prize.
  - Xunjin 6mo ago
    We should have "The Copilot Award goes to..." Every year for the most confusing product name/lineup
    - dd8601fn 6mo ago
      I love it. It’ll be doubly funny when the Xbox marketing team wins the Copilot Confusion Award.
jamietanna 6mo ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47853799 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47853799 for the curious

mrhottakes 6mo ago

they don't care about their reputation with devs, they care about their reputation with people that can write them big fat checks

plutokras 6mo ago
At my company, devs were the ones pushing for the Claude subscription. Left to management, we would have only had GitHub Copilot – we already have an existing relationship with them and the tool is good enough. If Anthropic is intent on losing the goodwill of the devs, they might not be happy with the consequences. Their product is quite commoditized at this point – the latest GPT, Gemini or GLM is just as good for most enterprise tasks.
- michaelcampbell 6mo ago
  Exactly the same for me, and I'm now ... "worried" isn't quite right, but you know what I mean, that they will back out. But to what? We had copilot before which was cheaper, and worked reasonably well with the A\ models, but I'm not even sure those will be there (Opus is no longer on my cheapest paid Copilot sub at home), and I've no doubt OpenAI will jack up their prices soon enough and/or do the "exclusivity" thing so they can only be accessed by their own clients.

fg137 6mo ago

They care about developers from companies that are on their team/enterprise plans or using bedrock. Individual users barely matter. That's probably also the same group that decides to switch to Codex/Kimi/[whatever the hottest agent on any given day] on a whim, which Anthropic doesn't necessarily want to do business with.

tayo42 6mo ago
> Individual users barely matter. Individuals are the ones that push for new tools at work though.
- fg137 6mo ago
  A fraction of them do. Many just use whatever the employer provides to get their job done. HN users only represent a small sample of the overall software developers which is nowhere nearly enthusiastic about new things. Source: what I witnessed at my company
  - azuanrb 6mo ago
    In the end, companies are made of individuals. In my previous company, I'm one of the individual who advocate for Claude Code adoption. Amongst my circle too, most who have the authority to make an impact on the AI direction. Safe to say I no longer suggest Anthropic to anyone anymore.
  - nunez 6mo ago
    This is facts. Most of the devs at the huge companies Anthropic and the like try to court are using Copilot since it comes with MS365.
sidrag22 6mo ago
feel like its beyond optimistic on their part, just starting to hear their name be blended with companies desires on job listings, and they are destroying the goodwill of the devs who surely are the main reason their name has landed there. They aren't dug in like a microsoft, maybe they get some staying power for nocode people who feel trapped, but im done with their nonsense already and won't recommend them anywhere. Other stuff is good enough already to match.

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papichulo2023 6mo ago

Where I work. Medium size, base in Europe company. It is paying over 1800 per dev in AI tools. Home users stand no chance.

hirvi74 6mo ago
Per what time frame? Day, week, month, or year?

dear_prudence 6mo ago

I suspect their ICP is changing from developers to enterprise decision makers, completely different personas

romanovcode 6mo ago

They got contracts from Enterprises now

michaelcampbell 6mo ago

> Why is management at Anthropic trying so hard to ruin their reputation with developers? They follow the money, like every other company.