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I’d prefer a non-touchscreen. Touchscreen does add about 200g of weight. Is that likely to be an option?

by loloquwowndueo 6mo ago

einpoklum 6mo ago
Exactly. Why would I touch my screen? My hands are on the keyboard, I'm not lifting them.
- speedgoose 6mo ago
  Developing applications for touch devices is much nicer on a laptop with a touchscreen.
  - loloquwowndueo 6mo ago
    It’s not something I do. Hence - can I have one without a touchscreen?
    - speedgoose 6mo ago
      I guess not. A touchscreen is cheap anyway, compared to many other components.
    - yaksha 6mo ago
      Framework does sell their parts piecemeal, so if you were inclined once new parts are available, you could put together one to your liking without a touchscreen. Eg - Current Framework 13 bottom stand alone https://frame.work/products/bottom-cover-kit?v=FRANFD0001 https://frame.work/products/bottom-cover-kit?v=FRANFD0001
- tapia 6mo ago
  Touchscreen is one of those things that sound nice, but in my experience are not so useful. At least not for my typical use (programming, writing, even CAD design). Before having a framework 13 I had a dell xps 13 with touchscreen for about ten years. I never really had a use for it. But hey, the rest of the specs of the screen alone make it still a nice upgrade possibility for the future :)
- internet_points 6mo ago
  I thought I would never use one either, but whenever I use my SO's laptop with touchscreen, I keep touching the screen for "quick actions" like pausing video or starting apps or moving things around. I don't use it when I need precision, but when I need to just do one thing quickly where I don't need accuracy, I actually find it really handy. But I wouldn't pay (much) extra for it.
daemonologist 6mo ago
The touchscreen is backward-compatible with the old/regular FW13, so I imagine the regular FW13 screen is forward-compatible with the Pro. (Of course, I don't know if they'll sell that configuration or if you'd have to cobble it together from the marketplace.)
petu 6mo ago
> Touchscreen does add about 200g of weight. 200g is weight of a smartphone, there's no way touch weighs that much. Framework 13 Pro screen seems to have plastic surface as before, not glass-laminated (which I guess could add 200g, but it's not a requirement for laptop touchscreen)
- loloquwowndueo 6mo ago
  I have two Dell xps 13, two generations apart, the newer one is touchscreen the other (older) isn’t. Guess which one weighs 1.3kg and which weighs 1.1kg. I’ve literally never used the touchscreen.
  - petu 6mo ago
    If they're two generations apart, then 200g difference could be hiding anywhere, but touchscreen (I really doubt it adds even 20g). e.g. 30g in larger heatsinks, 80g in glass-laminated screen, 20g in larger battery, 40g in more stiffer chassis. 30g in aluminium top case instead of carbon fiber :)
  - tredre3 6mo ago
    > two generations apart You're blaming the touchscreen for a lot here, when the explanation is likely a lot more pedestrian. Change in case molding, change in PCB size, slight change in battery size...
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  - agluszak 6mo ago
    > two generations apart Maybe that's the reason, not the touchscreen?
    - loloquwowndueo 6mo ago
      Wait, so they get _heavier_ each generation? I don’t buy it.
nrp 6mo ago
This is an in-cell touchscreen and we didn't add cover glass. That means there is no weight impact to having it.
- loloquwowndueo 6mo ago
  Awesome! Thanks! I’d still prefer a non-touchscreen (I have no use for it) but this is good to know.
- eichin 6mo ago
  And no brightness impact either, right? (I think that was in the LTT video.) We always ordered thinkpads without touchscreens, but it sounds like just leaving it off in software might actually be sufficient...

I’d prefer a non-touchscreen. Touchscreen does add about 200g of weight. Is that likely to be an option?

einpoklum 6mo ago

Exactly. Why would I touch my screen? My hands are on the keyboard, I'm not lifting them.

speedgoose 6mo ago
Developing applications for touch devices is much nicer on a laptop with a touchscreen.
- loloquwowndueo 6mo ago
  It’s not something I do. Hence - can I have one without a touchscreen?
  - speedgoose 6mo ago
    I guess not. A touchscreen is cheap anyway, compared to many other components.
  - yaksha 6mo ago
    Framework does sell their parts piecemeal, so if you were inclined once new parts are available, you could put together one to your liking without a touchscreen. Eg - Current Framework 13 bottom stand alone https://frame.work/products/bottom-cover-kit?v=FRANFD0001 https://frame.work/products/bottom-cover-kit?v=FRANFD0001
tapia 6mo ago
Touchscreen is one of those things that sound nice, but in my experience are not so useful. At least not for my typical use (programming, writing, even CAD design). Before having a framework 13 I had a dell xps 13 with touchscreen for about ten years. I never really had a use for it. But hey, the rest of the specs of the screen alone make it still a nice upgrade possibility for the future :)
internet_points 6mo ago
I thought I would never use one either, but whenever I use my SO's laptop with touchscreen, I keep touching the screen for "quick actions" like pausing video or starting apps or moving things around. I don't use it when I need precision, but when I need to just do one thing quickly where I don't need accuracy, I actually find it really handy. But I wouldn't pay (much) extra for it.

daemonologist 6mo ago

The touchscreen is backward-compatible with the old/regular FW13, so I imagine the regular FW13 screen is forward-compatible with the Pro. (Of course, I don't know if they'll sell that configuration or if you'd have to cobble it together from the marketplace.)

petu 6mo ago

> Touchscreen does add about 200g of weight. 200g is weight of a smartphone, there's no way touch weighs that much. Framework 13 Pro screen seems to have plastic surface as before, not glass-laminated (which I guess could add 200g, but it's not a requirement for laptop touchscreen)

loloquwowndueo 6mo ago
I have two Dell xps 13, two generations apart, the newer one is touchscreen the other (older) isn’t. Guess which one weighs 1.3kg and which weighs 1.1kg. I’ve literally never used the touchscreen.
- petu 6mo ago
  If they're two generations apart, then 200g difference could be hiding anywhere, but touchscreen (I really doubt it adds even 20g). e.g. 30g in larger heatsinks, 80g in glass-laminated screen, 20g in larger battery, 40g in more stiffer chassis. 30g in aluminium top case instead of carbon fiber :)
- tredre3 6mo ago
  > two generations apart You're blaming the touchscreen for a lot here, when the explanation is likely a lot more pedestrian. Change in case molding, change in PCB size, slight change in battery size...
  - deleted 6mo ago
    [deleted]
- agluszak 6mo ago
  > two generations apart Maybe that's the reason, not the touchscreen?
  - loloquwowndueo 6mo ago
    Wait, so they get _heavier_ each generation? I don’t buy it.

nrp 6mo ago

This is an in-cell touchscreen and we didn't add cover glass. That means there is no weight impact to having it.

loloquwowndueo 6mo ago
Awesome! Thanks! I’d still prefer a non-touchscreen (I have no use for it) but this is good to know.
eichin 6mo ago
And no brightness impact either, right? (I think that was in the LTT video.) We always ordered thinkpads without touchscreens, but it sounds like just leaving it off in software might actually be sufficient...