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My heart sank when they said 13 pro and then to see that so much is backwards compatible was amazing. It's quite refreshing to see a company live up to their mi

My heart sank when they said 13 pro and then to see that so much is backwards compatible was amazing. It's quite refreshing to see a company live up to their mission so well.

cogman10 6mo ago
Yeah, really impressive to see that you can take a 13 and turn it into a 13 pro with just a few new parts. I've just ordered my own 13 pro. I've been waiting for a laptop and this ticks all the boxes. I'd previously ordered a new dell xps laptop and ultimately returned it because the keyboard was busted. I would have kept it if I could have swapped the keyboard for a new one. The use of LPCAMM is also really nice. I've hoped to see this standard start taking flight and I'm happy to grab a product with it included.
Trollmann 6mo ago
Same, though the battery upgrade alone will be around $260 because of the new bottom cover, at that might just throw in the speaker upgrade as well for $19. Not sure if I even want a haptic touchpad at all.
- ghqst 6mo ago
  Haptic trackpads are the secret sauce that make MacBooks so pleasant to use. You probably want one.
  - chao- 6mo ago
    There is no accounting for taste. For instance, I still prefer discrete buttons over tap-clicks or multi-finger-taps, but I would accept the mild annoyance of tap clicks over the pressing down the pad itself.
  - pmontra 6mo ago
    It's a matter of preferences. Actually I like trackpads that don't mind and have physical buttons. The separation between the surface that moves the pointer on screen and the surfaces that generate the clicks means that there are no misclicks and no involuntary pointer movements while clicking.
    - Gigachad 6mo ago
      The MacBook software is so good that I’ve never had issues with misclicks or movement despite your palms sitting on it while typing. Long ago I installed Linux on a MacBook and found it unusable because of clicks and movement while typing. It’s probably improved these days though.
      - bombcar 6mo ago
        It is so incredibly "weird" to press on a MacBook (non Neo) trackpad when it is off, it's like touching a dead thing.
      - aitchnyu 6mo ago
        I had palm rejection work perfectly in my 2015 laptop; for my 2022 laptop, I had to switch to Fedora for the latest software.
    - rolymath 5mo ago
      Spoken like someone who has never used a haptic trackpad.
  - myself248 6mo ago
    Haptic schmaptic, I just want my Framework's enormous trackpad to respect deadzones and stop detecting my palms. I had to entirely disable tap-to-click, because nothing else would work. I might have to try their preinstalled Ubuntu images or something and see if there's some secret sauce in the input configs.
    - rofrol 5mo ago
      How about this https://community.frame.work/t/palm-rejection/40069/23?page=2 https://community.frame.work/t/palm-rejection/40069/23?page=... > For Linux libinput “Disable While Typing” (DWT) problems, this page claims libinput will only use the DWT setting if the keyboard and touchpad are either both identified as internal devices, or are both identified as the same device. sudo nano /etc/libinput/local-overrides.quirks [Framework Touchpad Fix] MatchName=* MatchUdevType=touchpad AttrKeyboardIntegration=internal
  - Trollmann 6mo ago
    Not a huge fan of the "force touch" trackpads on newer macs, the old man yells at the clouds. In all seriousness though I have used a pre force touch MacBook not too long ago and I prefer that experience a lot over the new one I have from work. Though the larger size of these trackpads is something I really like and where neither the older MacBook nor the the current non-pro Framework 13 come close.
    - pxc 6mo ago
      Me, neither! I just had someone suggest to me yesterday that I was "holding it wrong" for preferring a real click mechanism on my trackpads.
  - VectorLock 6mo ago
    Is the software that makes them so pleasant to use available on Linux?
- cassepipe 6mo ago
  So you if you want the newer bottom you have to upgrade the battery is what you're saying ?
  - riknos314 6mo ago
    The new battery is physically larger, so the old bottom cannot accommodate it.
    - cassepipe 6mo ago
      Oh right but if I want to keep everything but the chassis I can, correct ?
      - _-_-__-_-_- 6mo ago
        This page has more details, https://frame.work/laptop13pro?tab=upgrade-to-pro https://frame.work/laptop13pro?tab=upgrade-to-pro. You can keep everything, but they are selling some of the new parts as a kit.
  - cbsmith 6mo ago
    More like the reverse: if you want the new battery you need a new bottom.
steveBK123 6mo ago
I'm not in the market for a Windows or Linux machine myself, but the way this company operates I feel like supporting them with a purchase at some point regardless.. maybe their Desktop tower
drywipes 5mo ago
I was screaming at my screen when I heard 13 Pro but I am now ever so happy when they mentioned being able to just replace, part-by-part, a regular Framework 13 into a Framework 13 Pro.

My heart sank when they said 13 pro and then to see that so much is backwards compatible was amazing. It's quite refreshing to see a company live up to their mission so well.

cogman10 6mo ago

Yeah, really impressive to see that you can take a 13 and turn it into a 13 pro with just a few new parts. I've just ordered my own 13 pro. I've been waiting for a laptop and this ticks all the boxes. I'd previously ordered a new dell xps laptop and ultimately returned it because the keyboard was busted. I would have kept it if I could have swapped the keyboard for a new one. The use of LPCAMM is also really nice. I've hoped to see this standard start taking flight and I'm happy to grab a product with it included.

Trollmann 6mo ago

Same, though the battery upgrade alone will be around $260 because of the new bottom cover, at that might just throw in the speaker upgrade as well for $19. Not sure if I even want a haptic touchpad at all.

ghqst 6mo ago
Haptic trackpads are the secret sauce that make MacBooks so pleasant to use. You probably want one.
- chao- 6mo ago
  There is no accounting for taste. For instance, I still prefer discrete buttons over tap-clicks or multi-finger-taps, but I would accept the mild annoyance of tap clicks over the pressing down the pad itself.
- pmontra 6mo ago
  It's a matter of preferences. Actually I like trackpads that don't mind and have physical buttons. The separation between the surface that moves the pointer on screen and the surfaces that generate the clicks means that there are no misclicks and no involuntary pointer movements while clicking.
  - Gigachad 6mo ago
    The MacBook software is so good that I’ve never had issues with misclicks or movement despite your palms sitting on it while typing. Long ago I installed Linux on a MacBook and found it unusable because of clicks and movement while typing. It’s probably improved these days though.
    - bombcar 6mo ago
      It is so incredibly "weird" to press on a MacBook (non Neo) trackpad when it is off, it's like touching a dead thing.
    - aitchnyu 6mo ago
      I had palm rejection work perfectly in my 2015 laptop; for my 2022 laptop, I had to switch to Fedora for the latest software.
  - rolymath 5mo ago
    Spoken like someone who has never used a haptic trackpad.
- myself248 6mo ago
  Haptic schmaptic, I just want my Framework's enormous trackpad to respect deadzones and stop detecting my palms. I had to entirely disable tap-to-click, because nothing else would work. I might have to try their preinstalled Ubuntu images or something and see if there's some secret sauce in the input configs.
  - rofrol 5mo ago
    How about this https://community.frame.work/t/palm-rejection/40069/23?page=2 https://community.frame.work/t/palm-rejection/40069/23?page=... > For Linux libinput “Disable While Typing” (DWT) problems, this page claims libinput will only use the DWT setting if the keyboard and touchpad are either both identified as internal devices, or are both identified as the same device. sudo nano /etc/libinput/local-overrides.quirks [Framework Touchpad Fix] MatchName=* MatchUdevType=touchpad AttrKeyboardIntegration=internal
- Trollmann 6mo ago
  Not a huge fan of the "force touch" trackpads on newer macs, the old man yells at the clouds. In all seriousness though I have used a pre force touch MacBook not too long ago and I prefer that experience a lot over the new one I have from work. Though the larger size of these trackpads is something I really like and where neither the older MacBook nor the the current non-pro Framework 13 come close.
  - pxc 6mo ago
    Me, neither! I just had someone suggest to me yesterday that I was "holding it wrong" for preferring a real click mechanism on my trackpads.
- VectorLock 6mo ago
  Is the software that makes them so pleasant to use available on Linux?
cassepipe 6mo ago
So you if you want the newer bottom you have to upgrade the battery is what you're saying ?
- riknos314 6mo ago
  The new battery is physically larger, so the old bottom cannot accommodate it.
  - cassepipe 6mo ago
    Oh right but if I want to keep everything but the chassis I can, correct ?
    - _-_-__-_-_- 6mo ago
      This page has more details, https://frame.work/laptop13pro?tab=upgrade-to-pro https://frame.work/laptop13pro?tab=upgrade-to-pro. You can keep everything, but they are selling some of the new parts as a kit.
- cbsmith 6mo ago
  More like the reverse: if you want the new battery you need a new bottom.

steveBK123 6mo ago

I'm not in the market for a Windows or Linux machine myself, but the way this company operates I feel like supporting them with a purchase at some point regardless.. maybe their Desktop tower

drywipes 5mo ago

I was screaming at my screen when I heard 13 Pro but I am now ever so happy when they mentioned being able to just replace, part-by-part, a regular Framework 13 into a Framework 13 Pro.