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The fact that graphane is getting attacked speaks enough for it's relability. First in france now in Wired. I'm more concerned that Signal incorporated in US i

by maxo133 6mo ago

The fact that graphane is getting attacked speaks enough for it's relability. First in france now in Wired. I'm more concerned that Signal incorporated in US is having easy life.

user_7832 6mo ago
> I'm more concerned that Signal incorporated in US is having easy life. To add - ironically, it was Durov (Telegram founder) who got arrested in Paris.
- neonstatic 6mo ago
  I don't find it ironic at all. Zero trust for anything Russia related.
  - kelvinjps10 6mo ago
    he is not pro-Putin, the Telegram team was forced to leave and it has been blocked several times in Russia.
    - Jamesbeam 6mo ago
      Not being pro-Putin doesn’t really matter to Putin. If he tells Durov to sit and be a good dog, Durov will sit and be a good dog. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Kk7kobMQY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Kk7kobMQY
      - sandmn 6mo ago
        Unlikely the case, Telegram is the app that Russian government is most focused on blocking right now, it's almost impossible to use without proxy or VPN. Not saying Durov is perfect but video you linked is about guy who has all his assets in Russia while Durov has none.
        Jamesbeam 6mo ago
        Follow the money. Not the person. https://curia.europa.eu/site/upload/docs/application/pdf/2024-09/cp240137en.pdf https://curia.europa.eu/site/upload/docs/application/pdf/202... https://www.ft.com/content/36a37387-cb71-4851-a56f-de2571d520d8?syn-25a6b1a6=1 https://www.ft.com/content/36a37387-cb71-4851-a56f-de2571d52... Also, I disagree with Durov having no assets in Putin’s direct reach. https://istories.media/en/news/2024/08/27/pavel-durov-has-visited-russia-more-than-50-times-since-his-exile-in-2014/ https://istories.media/en/news/2024/08/27/pavel-durov-has-vi... The man looks on photos like he genuinely loves his long-term girlfriend and the three kids he has with her. Kids are stupid tho. They climb on everything and fall out of windows frequently.
  - yaro330 6mo ago
    Durov is about as anti-Putin and russia in general as one can get. He go fucked hard in russia and has been going extremely hard against the censorship in russia. TG is one of the few chat apps that can avoid russia's suppression measures, when everything else working over internet fails.
    - neonstatic 6mo ago
      Half of Russian military uses it in the field. I do not care what story that guy is spreading around about his affiliations or lack of with Russia. Zero trust. Never touching Telegram.
      - yaro330 5mo ago
        They use Signal too. And GPS. Gonna never touch those too?
    - TFNA 6mo ago
      Durov has been going hard against censorship because the pressure on Russians to switch to MAX might consign his own app to oblivion. But to call Durov “anti-Russia” when Telegram development and servers remained in Russia, is to ascribe to him a dissident status that he doesn’t actually deserve. (Durov himself is known to regularly visit Russia, while denying he ever visits Russia. Telegram opened a Dubai office claiming that it was now a Dubai-headquartered company, but that was a mere legal formality; no one was actually there at that office, and journalists visiting it found that not even the building staff knew anything about Telegram. In practice, the company continues to exist out of Russia.)
      - kqp 6mo ago
        Do you have a source for any of this? Wikipedia and news that I can find support that he fled Russia after government conflicts. It’s also well known that he keeps his and the dev team’s location secret, so anybody going knocking on incorporation addresses in Dubai then feigning surprise is acting in bad faith.
  - u8080 6mo ago
    Zero trust does not mean government pressure is okay
lofaszvanitt 6mo ago
Being attacked? That doesn't mean anything. Either you know the security domains in and out or you can't make an educated guess how secure it really is.
aphorism 6mo ago
Nah, that's more to do with the fact that governments use Signal and Meredith Whittaker is not to be trifled with.

by maxo133 6mo ago

The fact that graphane is getting attacked speaks enough for it's relability. First in france now in Wired. I'm more concerned that Signal incorporated in US is having easy life.

user_7832 6mo ago

> I'm more concerned that Signal incorporated in US is having easy life. To add - ironically, it was Durov (Telegram founder) who got arrested in Paris.

neonstatic 6mo ago
I don't find it ironic at all. Zero trust for anything Russia related.
- kelvinjps10 6mo ago
  he is not pro-Putin, the Telegram team was forced to leave and it has been blocked several times in Russia.
  - Jamesbeam 6mo ago
    Not being pro-Putin doesn’t really matter to Putin. If he tells Durov to sit and be a good dog, Durov will sit and be a good dog. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Kk7kobMQY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Kk7kobMQY
    - sandmn 6mo ago
      Unlikely the case, Telegram is the app that Russian government is most focused on blocking right now, it's almost impossible to use without proxy or VPN. Not saying Durov is perfect but video you linked is about guy who has all his assets in Russia while Durov has none.
      - Jamesbeam 6mo ago
        Follow the money. Not the person. https://curia.europa.eu/site/upload/docs/application/pdf/2024-09/cp240137en.pdf https://curia.europa.eu/site/upload/docs/application/pdf/202... https://www.ft.com/content/36a37387-cb71-4851-a56f-de2571d520d8?syn-25a6b1a6=1 https://www.ft.com/content/36a37387-cb71-4851-a56f-de2571d52... Also, I disagree with Durov having no assets in Putin’s direct reach. https://istories.media/en/news/2024/08/27/pavel-durov-has-visited-russia-more-than-50-times-since-his-exile-in-2014/ https://istories.media/en/news/2024/08/27/pavel-durov-has-vi... The man looks on photos like he genuinely loves his long-term girlfriend and the three kids he has with her. Kids are stupid tho. They climb on everything and fall out of windows frequently.
- yaro330 6mo ago
  Durov is about as anti-Putin and russia in general as one can get. He go fucked hard in russia and has been going extremely hard against the censorship in russia. TG is one of the few chat apps that can avoid russia's suppression measures, when everything else working over internet fails.
  - neonstatic 6mo ago
    Half of Russian military uses it in the field. I do not care what story that guy is spreading around about his affiliations or lack of with Russia. Zero trust. Never touching Telegram.
    - yaro330 5mo ago
      They use Signal too. And GPS. Gonna never touch those too?
  - TFNA 6mo ago
    Durov has been going hard against censorship because the pressure on Russians to switch to MAX might consign his own app to oblivion. But to call Durov “anti-Russia” when Telegram development and servers remained in Russia, is to ascribe to him a dissident status that he doesn’t actually deserve. (Durov himself is known to regularly visit Russia, while denying he ever visits Russia. Telegram opened a Dubai office claiming that it was now a Dubai-headquartered company, but that was a mere legal formality; no one was actually there at that office, and journalists visiting it found that not even the building staff knew anything about Telegram. In practice, the company continues to exist out of Russia.)
    - kqp 6mo ago
      Do you have a source for any of this? Wikipedia and news that I can find support that he fled Russia after government conflicts. It’s also well known that he keeps his and the dev team’s location secret, so anybody going knocking on incorporation addresses in Dubai then feigning surprise is acting in bad faith.
- u8080 6mo ago
  Zero trust does not mean government pressure is okay

lofaszvanitt 6mo ago

Being attacked? That doesn't mean anything. Either you know the security domains in and out or you can't make an educated guess how secure it really is.

aphorism 6mo ago

Nah, that's more to do with the fact that governments use Signal and Meredith Whittaker is not to be trifled with.