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> 1. will this work (will the UK stop smoking) What mechanisms do you foresee for it to fail? If stores stop selling cigarettes, the UK will have no other choi

by azangru 6mo ago

> 1. will this work (will the UK stop smoking) What mechanisms do you foresee for it to fail? If stores stop selling cigarettes, the UK will have no other choice but to stop smoking them. I wonder what will come to replace them though. People have a peculiar tendency of forming addictive habits. Regarding question 2, personally, I am uncomfortable with the idea of a nanny state.

shmel 6mo ago
Right, because it totally worked with drugs. People just don't use them anymore. Weed is impossible to come by nowadays.
kjksf 6mo ago
Prohibition did fail and US had to revert ban on alcohol. The rules are made by politicians. All it takes to change the rules is to rotate politicians. Or enough public dissent that the same politicians are forced to revert the rules.
- sir0010010 6mo ago
  A smoking ban could easily be enforced by allowing anyone bothered by secondhand smoke to report it.
sailfast 6mo ago
Is weed legal in the UK? Do people still smoke it? This might play right into the hands of bootleggers and gangs but also into the Swedish / American nicotine pouch industry which is basically marketing straight at kids. Also - vapes. Most folks don’t smoke cigarettes anymore. How does this control vaping?
- cucumber3732842 6mo ago
  That's exactly what this is. The money has moved on to pouches and vapes. It's like how everyone pat themselves on the back for banning child labor after the industrial revolution had rendered it obsolete outside a few niches that weren't economically important enough to put up a real fight. Politicians "win" by pandering to voters and interests. So this is an obvious move since they can pander to all those people who grew up being told a cigarette takes a minute off your life while only pissing off some niche industry and a few smokers who are unwilling to vape.
- Gud 6mo ago
  There is a big difference between weed and tobacco. I am a fairly regular weed smoker. I used to grow my own. I used to smoke tobacco. I can go weeks, months and even years without smoking weed. Kicking my nicotine habit took many, many, many tries and I didn't even enjoy it! They are not the same.
  - rcxdude 6mo ago
    That's a different in the harm, not a difference in the effectiveness of prohibition. In fact, the more addictive the substance, the less effective I would expected prohibition to be (and the more ancillary harms to result, especially from criminalisation).
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by azangru 6mo ago

shmel 6mo ago

Right, because it totally worked with drugs. People just don't use them anymore. Weed is impossible to come by nowadays.

kjksf 6mo ago

Prohibition did fail and US had to revert ban on alcohol. The rules are made by politicians. All it takes to change the rules is to rotate politicians. Or enough public dissent that the same politicians are forced to revert the rules.

sir0010010 6mo ago
A smoking ban could easily be enforced by allowing anyone bothered by secondhand smoke to report it.

sailfast 6mo ago

Is weed legal in the UK? Do people still smoke it? This might play right into the hands of bootleggers and gangs but also into the Swedish / American nicotine pouch industry which is basically marketing straight at kids. Also - vapes. Most folks don’t smoke cigarettes anymore. How does this control vaping?

cucumber3732842 6mo ago
That's exactly what this is. The money has moved on to pouches and vapes. It's like how everyone pat themselves on the back for banning child labor after the industrial revolution had rendered it obsolete outside a few niches that weren't economically important enough to put up a real fight. Politicians "win" by pandering to voters and interests. So this is an obvious move since they can pander to all those people who grew up being told a cigarette takes a minute off your life while only pissing off some niche industry and a few smokers who are unwilling to vape.
Gud 6mo ago
There is a big difference between weed and tobacco. I am a fairly regular weed smoker. I used to grow my own. I used to smoke tobacco. I can go weeks, months and even years without smoking weed. Kicking my nicotine habit took many, many, many tries and I didn't even enjoy it! They are not the same.
- rcxdude 6mo ago
  That's a different in the harm, not a difference in the effectiveness of prohibition. In fact, the more addictive the substance, the less effective I would expected prohibition to be (and the more ancillary harms to result, especially from criminalisation).
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