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Apple owns the hardware, they own the ecosystem, and as mathematics and compression prevail, smaller param models will live on device via purpose built chips. T
by Aeroi 6mo ago
Apple owns the hardware, they own the ecosystem, and as mathematics and compression prevail, smaller param models will live on device via purpose built chips. The lack of action will in the end be apples saving grace.
Even if they don't go that route, the data from icloud, cash on hand, and partnerships with sota labs, still position them as a frontier competitor that just hasn't launched yet.
Anyway you shake it strategically, Apple still owns the ecosystem end-to-end.
- davedx 6mo agoHuh, if you don't own the models then you don't own the ecosystem end to end though?
- Aeroi 6mo agoIf you're using an apple phone to download the chatgpt app on the apple app store. That's still pretty much owning the ecosystem.
- andreime 6mo agoneah, that's like saying because ie was used to download chrome you own the ecosystem. llms will be the new search and you'll delegate to them a lot, because it's so convenient (not saying it will be great!).
- bigyabai 6mo ago> the data from icloud, cash on hand, and partnerships with sota labs, still position them as a frontier competitor that just hasn't launched yet. Apple mass-produces raster GPUs and bakes them into an expensive ARM SOC. They are not a drop-in replacement for CUDA or any of the expensive GPGPU hardware. Apple Silicon runs compute shaders just like the GPUs from 2012. You could call them a "frontier competitor that just hasn't launched yet" but we don't even say that about AMD or Intel despite supporting Linux and shipping GPGPU architectures already. Apple's position in the greater AI/GPGPU industry is widely accepted to be forfeit. Even Google's AI hardware strategy is closer to the frontier than Apple's.
- Aeroi 6mo agoThen why is Apple Silicon the best for OpenClaw?
- bigyabai 6mo agoCitation? Apple Silicon is not used for inference in the majority of OpenClaw setups. macOS is popular for OpenClaw, but you can get the same results on a Linux, Windows or even ChromeOS client. There are OpenClaw desktops that run on a Raspberry Pi. In the broader inference/training market, Apple Silicon is a non-entity compared to systems like the GB100.
- politelemon 6mo agoIt isn't. It just happens to be popular among openclaw users who don't understand how it works. Which is the perfect target audience.
- YmiYugy 6mo agoThere is a place for local models. Typing prediction, speech to text, etc. But I have yet to see uses of local LLMs that are all that compelling.