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This is called FUD, amplify negativity, silence positivity

by WhereIsTheTruth 6mo ago

flagos10 6mo ago
It's also something super simple to clarify from Anthropic if they want.
- scottyah 6mo ago
  They have, many times. We're seeing a chain where people are pointing to openclaw's github for information (a tool that was effectively acquired by their #1 competitor) and trying to make it sound so crazy. The actual flow was simple- They said "don't use your claude code membership on tools that burn lots of the subsidized tokens". Then a bunch of people raised a fit (because openclaw is almost useless without claude models), so Anthropic basically said "That's what the API keys are for". Antropic has the info on their website, emailed all users for each step, and I've seen it on X- I'm sure it's in other places as well.
arcanemachiner 6mo ago
Considering Anthropic is constantly doing the opposite, I would just call it "balance".
- embedding-shape 6mo ago
  Not that I'm some paragon when it comes to critical thinking exactly, but if there any sort of proof or evidence of Anthropic "silencing negativity"? Wouldn't surprise me, but also haven't seen anything conclusive about it either, so spreading that they are as fact, is ironically FUD itself.
  - Forgeties79 6mo ago
    Name a startup that isn’t trying to downplay, scrub, or otherwise silence negative press.
    - embedding-shape 6mo ago
      [dead]
  - root_axis 6mo ago
    When they say "doing the opposite" they are referring to Anthropic's hyperbolic marketing strategy. Though, I don't think that justifies spreading FUD in the opposite direction. I also don't think the comment the GP was replying to contains FUD.
redsocksfan45 6mo ago
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Forgeties79 6mo ago
^every comment when someone says something remotely negative about LLM’s and their less useful cousins, cryptocurrencies. It’s baffling how similar the language and attitude is sometimes. Anthropic was, even to me, “one of the better ones” until recently. They have made many questionable/poor decisions the last 6-8 weeks and people are right to call them out for it, especially when they want our money.
- ToucanLoucan 6mo ago
  What's funny is I had personally settled on Anthropic as... the best of a bad situation, I guess? I found the tech useful even if I still deeply hate the industry and hype machine around it. Now though I can't get through a full discussion with Claude before the usage restrictions kick in, which has done a far better job getting me to kick the habit than anything else. I still VERY occasionally use it (as I'm friggin able to anyway) but it's definitely nowhere near my usage previously. And I refuse to give them money, and besideswhich have no goddamn notion of whether it would even be worth it on the lowest paid tier. Ah well. The free ride was fun but I knew it had a shelf life.
  - gavinray 6mo ago
    I pay the $20 sub for all of the Frontier models and just hop between them as performance changes I will say that Codex high/x-high has consistently performed the best for me, but YMMV
    - ToucanLoucan 6mo ago
      See the thing is their storefront is so fucking vague. Right now I hit usage limits after about 4-6 messages during the day, depending on length. They say the low tier is 5x usage, so does that mean I can send 20-30 messages? Because that's not remotely worth $20 a month to me.
      - wafflemaker 6mo ago
        It used to be. But I consistently got to use more than that. Funny thing (or I just imagined that), when I used ChatGPT for studying, it was quite generous about over usage. When I was just messing around, testing where the guardraila are or trying to get it to generate sexual prose about my siblings to send it to them for laughs, the limits were held much more strictly. I remember when it went up from 25/3h to 50/3h. And I was like meh, because I've already used it over that limit multiple times.

This is called FUD, amplify negativity, silence positivity

flagos10 6mo ago

It's also something super simple to clarify from Anthropic if they want.

scottyah 6mo ago
They have, many times. We're seeing a chain where people are pointing to openclaw's github for information (a tool that was effectively acquired by their #1 competitor) and trying to make it sound so crazy. The actual flow was simple- They said "don't use your claude code membership on tools that burn lots of the subsidized tokens". Then a bunch of people raised a fit (because openclaw is almost useless without claude models), so Anthropic basically said "That's what the API keys are for". Antropic has the info on their website, emailed all users for each step, and I've seen it on X- I'm sure it's in other places as well.

arcanemachiner 6mo ago

Considering Anthropic is constantly doing the opposite, I would just call it "balance".

embedding-shape 6mo ago
Not that I'm some paragon when it comes to critical thinking exactly, but if there any sort of proof or evidence of Anthropic "silencing negativity"? Wouldn't surprise me, but also haven't seen anything conclusive about it either, so spreading that they are as fact, is ironically FUD itself.
- Forgeties79 6mo ago
  Name a startup that isn’t trying to downplay, scrub, or otherwise silence negative press.
  - embedding-shape 6mo ago
    [dead]
- root_axis 6mo ago
  When they say "doing the opposite" they are referring to Anthropic's hyperbolic marketing strategy. Though, I don't think that justifies spreading FUD in the opposite direction. I also don't think the comment the GP was replying to contains FUD.

redsocksfan45 6mo ago

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Forgeties79 6mo ago

^every comment when someone says something remotely negative about LLM’s and their less useful cousins, cryptocurrencies. It’s baffling how similar the language and attitude is sometimes. Anthropic was, even to me, “one of the better ones” until recently. They have made many questionable/poor decisions the last 6-8 weeks and people are right to call them out for it, especially when they want our money.

ToucanLoucan 6mo ago
What's funny is I had personally settled on Anthropic as... the best of a bad situation, I guess? I found the tech useful even if I still deeply hate the industry and hype machine around it. Now though I can't get through a full discussion with Claude before the usage restrictions kick in, which has done a far better job getting me to kick the habit than anything else. I still VERY occasionally use it (as I'm friggin able to anyway) but it's definitely nowhere near my usage previously. And I refuse to give them money, and besideswhich have no goddamn notion of whether it would even be worth it on the lowest paid tier. Ah well. The free ride was fun but I knew it had a shelf life.
- gavinray 6mo ago
  I pay the $20 sub for all of the Frontier models and just hop between them as performance changes I will say that Codex high/x-high has consistently performed the best for me, but YMMV
  - ToucanLoucan 6mo ago
    See the thing is their storefront is so fucking vague. Right now I hit usage limits after about 4-6 messages during the day, depending on length. They say the low tier is 5x usage, so does that mean I can send 20-30 messages? Because that's not remotely worth $20 a month to me.
    - wafflemaker 6mo ago
      It used to be. But I consistently got to use more than that. Funny thing (or I just imagined that), when I used ChatGPT for studying, it was quite generous about over usage. When I was just messing around, testing where the guardraila are or trying to get it to generate sexual prose about my siblings to send it to them for laughs, the limits were held much more strictly. I remember when it went up from 25/3h to 50/3h. And I was like meh, because I've already used it over that limit multiple times.