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Most artificial sweeteners have metabolic side effects, and lead to weight gain. You’re probably better off drinking cane sugar soda because it is more filling

by hedora 6mo ago

Most artificial sweeteners have metabolic side effects, and lead to weight gain. You’re probably better off drinking cane sugar soda because it is more filling than HFCS soda. Anyway orange juice is probably better still. At least it has some vitamin C and maybe trace fiber in it.

jpfromlondon 6mo ago
no metabolic effects from sweeteners, wish you lot would stop moving the goalposts on why sweeteners are unhealthy: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12098100/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12098100/
- hedora 6mo ago
  The abstract says the study is useless: > However, given this study applied a heterogeneous ASB formula, it could not adequately consider the role of specific artificial sweeteners. Further research is needed to evaluate the potential effect of different artificial sweeteners and their doses on health.
  - jpfromlondon 6mo ago
    it's also not the only study, just one example, besides that's standard boilerplate CE so as not to assume liability.
  - Tagbert 6mo ago
    Similar to the reports that talk about health problems with sweeteners. Not enough good data to be informative and actionable.
- m3047 6mo ago
  This just in, licorice kills dogs. Once in a while it kills people too. (affects insulin production, and aldosterone causing blood pressure effects then downstream effects on blood potassium and kidneys)
lotsofpulp 6mo ago
>Most artificial sweeteners have metabolic side effects, and lead to weight gain. I have not seen a single double blind study show this in the many decades low calorie sweeteners have been consumed (in normal amounts). What I have seen is study after study showing the harms of consuming too many carbohydrates (the amounts contained in normal consumption of juice due to quantity of sugar).
BugsJustFindMe 6mo ago
> Most artificial sweeteners have metabolic side effects, and lead to weight gain. So does sugar. Everything ever credibly published on the effects of artificial sweeteners say four things: 1) everything else held equal, artificial sweeteners unequivocally reduce weight gain vs consuming equivalent sugar because sugar is 100% empty calories 2) some artificial sweeteners (e.g. sucralose) may increase appetite vs equivalent sugar, causing you to possibly eat more depending on which ones you consume 3) various artificial sweeteners may have non-weight-related negative effects on the body related to cardiovascular health, gut health, and so on 4) sugar definitely has a whole bunch of non-weight-related negative effects on the body related to cardiovascular health, gut health, and so on
- wun0ne 6mo ago
  Sugar is not just empty calories. Your muscles need glycogen, which is produced from carbohydrates—including sugar—to function. Simple sugars are particularly effective at restoring glycogen stores after intense cardiovascular workouts.
  - BugsJustFindMe 6mo ago
    It seems you may not know what the phrase "empty calories" means, so, let me help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_calories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_calories Lumping simple sugar in with complex carbohydrates as equally beneficial because they're both carbohydrate molecules is horrendous prevarication. And bringing up "intense workouts" at all, which I'm sure you very well know is demographically an extreme outlier scenario, in a conversation about weight gain, is the most hilarious kind of derailment.
Night_Thastus 6mo ago
There seems to be little to no evidence of any negative effects from just about any artificial sweeteners. I mean shoot, Aspartame immediately breaks down into some of the most common amino acids in the body. There's no biological mechanism for it to do anything negative. Sugar, on the other hand, has very well known and studied health risks at the concentrations we see in a lot of modern 'staples' - soda and juice included.

by hedora 6mo ago

jpfromlondon 6mo ago

no metabolic effects from sweeteners, wish you lot would stop moving the goalposts on why sweeteners are unhealthy: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12098100/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12098100/

hedora 6mo ago
The abstract says the study is useless: > However, given this study applied a heterogeneous ASB formula, it could not adequately consider the role of specific artificial sweeteners. Further research is needed to evaluate the potential effect of different artificial sweeteners and their doses on health.
- jpfromlondon 6mo ago
  it's also not the only study, just one example, besides that's standard boilerplate CE so as not to assume liability.
- Tagbert 6mo ago
  Similar to the reports that talk about health problems with sweeteners. Not enough good data to be informative and actionable.
m3047 6mo ago
This just in, licorice kills dogs. Once in a while it kills people too. (affects insulin production, and aldosterone causing blood pressure effects then downstream effects on blood potassium and kidneys)

lotsofpulp 6mo ago

>Most artificial sweeteners have metabolic side effects, and lead to weight gain. I have not seen a single double blind study show this in the many decades low calorie sweeteners have been consumed (in normal amounts). What I have seen is study after study showing the harms of consuming too many carbohydrates (the amounts contained in normal consumption of juice due to quantity of sugar).

BugsJustFindMe 6mo ago

> Most artificial sweeteners have metabolic side effects, and lead to weight gain. So does sugar. Everything ever credibly published on the effects of artificial sweeteners say four things: 1) everything else held equal, artificial sweeteners unequivocally reduce weight gain vs consuming equivalent sugar because sugar is 100% empty calories 2) some artificial sweeteners (e.g. sucralose) may increase appetite vs equivalent sugar, causing you to possibly eat more depending on which ones you consume 3) various artificial sweeteners may have non-weight-related negative effects on the body related to cardiovascular health, gut health, and so on 4) sugar definitely has a whole bunch of non-weight-related negative effects on the body related to cardiovascular health, gut health, and so on

wun0ne 6mo ago
Sugar is not just empty calories. Your muscles need glycogen, which is produced from carbohydrates—including sugar—to function. Simple sugars are particularly effective at restoring glycogen stores after intense cardiovascular workouts.
- BugsJustFindMe 6mo ago
  It seems you may not know what the phrase "empty calories" means, so, let me help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_calories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_calories Lumping simple sugar in with complex carbohydrates as equally beneficial because they're both carbohydrate molecules is horrendous prevarication. And bringing up "intense workouts" at all, which I'm sure you very well know is demographically an extreme outlier scenario, in a conversation about weight gain, is the most hilarious kind of derailment.

Night_Thastus 6mo ago

There seems to be little to no evidence of any negative effects from just about any artificial sweeteners. I mean shoot, Aspartame immediately breaks down into some of the most common amino acids in the body. There's no biological mechanism for it to do anything negative. Sugar, on the other hand, has very well known and studied health risks at the concentrations we see in a lot of modern 'staples' - soda and juice included.