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Plus these things have a range of about 50 miles. It's not like if you are a carrier floating in the pacific, you will be swarmed with a thousand torpedoes. To

Plus these things have a range of about 50 miles. It's not like if you are a carrier floating in the pacific, you will be swarmed with a thousand torpedoes. To launch one requires a submarine, and while one may hide, it's not so easy to penetrate the defenses of a carrier group in the middle of the pacific. Ukraine has had success against mostly unarmored and a few lightly armored Russian ships (and let's face it, these are small ships compared to carriers) in the black sea because the front lines are there and they can launch from a port, travel 5 miles, and hit one of these ships. That's a completely different situation.

defrost 6mo ago
> To launch one requires a submarine Torpedoes cannot be launched from manned / unmanned surface vessels? Wow. Good job China isn't getting into water surface drone swarms. Still, easy to see why close waters near Iran keep the US carrier groups away.
- wredcoll 6mo ago
  > Torpedoes cannot be launched from manned / unmanned surface vessels? They're getting close enough to target the carriers without being sunk.. how exactly?
  - defrost 6mo ago
    Relatively low cost, numbers and sheer persistance. Post WWII US has always struggled with asymmetric wars that can't be solved with military dominance and rarely addressed on deeper issues. This current Iran conflict is reminiscent of the Taliban in Afghanistan, who survived 20 years in a frozen conflict with the US before taking back control of the country when the US withdrew. The betting is strong on Iran still standing when Trump gets bored and carried off stage.
    - wredcoll 6mo ago
      > Post WWII US has always struggled with asymmetric wars that can't be solved with military dominance and rarely addressed on deeper issues. I mean, yeah, we're talking about the part of the war that is unrelated to the weapon systems involved.
      - defrost 6mo ago
        > we're talking about the part of the war that is unrelated to the weapon systems involved. I'm talking about asymmetric strategies that can be used by a less armed actor to stand off and occassionally clearly best a better resourced actor. You know, wooden wing hand carved swarms Vs floating fortress cities with orbiting overwatch. The Taliban, NVA, and likely Iran will be future examples of mice left still standing after the biggest cat on the planet failed to move them on or wipe them out.

defrost 6mo ago

> To launch one requires a submarine Torpedoes cannot be launched from manned / unmanned surface vessels? Wow. Good job China isn't getting into water surface drone swarms. Still, easy to see why close waters near Iran keep the US carrier groups away.

wredcoll 6mo ago
> Torpedoes cannot be launched from manned / unmanned surface vessels? They're getting close enough to target the carriers without being sunk.. how exactly?
- defrost 6mo ago
  Relatively low cost, numbers and sheer persistance. Post WWII US has always struggled with asymmetric wars that can't be solved with military dominance and rarely addressed on deeper issues. This current Iran conflict is reminiscent of the Taliban in Afghanistan, who survived 20 years in a frozen conflict with the US before taking back control of the country when the US withdrew. The betting is strong on Iran still standing when Trump gets bored and carried off stage.
  - wredcoll 6mo ago
    > Post WWII US has always struggled with asymmetric wars that can't be solved with military dominance and rarely addressed on deeper issues. I mean, yeah, we're talking about the part of the war that is unrelated to the weapon systems involved.
    - defrost 6mo ago
      > we're talking about the part of the war that is unrelated to the weapon systems involved. I'm talking about asymmetric strategies that can be used by a less armed actor to stand off and occassionally clearly best a better resourced actor. You know, wooden wing hand carved swarms Vs floating fortress cities with orbiting overwatch. The Taliban, NVA, and likely Iran will be future examples of mice left still standing after the biggest cat on the planet failed to move them on or wipe them out.