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There's some irony there in that the whole maps fiasco lead to firing of Forstall which allowed Ive to become head of design, which basically led to the current
by krackers 6mo ago
There's some irony there in that the whole maps fiasco lead to firing of Forstall which allowed Ive to become head of design, which basically led to the current state of macOS design.
I do wish that some day someone will tell the story of what happened during that time. Maps was bad at launch yes, but it also wouldn't get better without people contributing more data, and the fact that it took a decade to slowly improve implies that there's nothing anyone could have done to get it right "off the bat". It still feels to me Forstall was set up as the fall guy, especially considering no one was fired for antennagate.
- latexr 6mo agoReportedly, Forstall wasn’t liked by the other senior execs but was kept “safe” as Jobs’ protégé, they thought alike and shared the love for skeuomorphism design. Ive in particular disliked Forstall, and Tim Cook made a choice. https://www.businessinsider.com/apples-minimalist-ive-assumes-jobss-role-setting-design-vision-2012-11 https://www.businessinsider.com/apples-minimalist-ive-assume...
- walterbell 6mo agoCould Forstall potentially return under new Apple leadership?
- UqWBcuFx6NV4r 6mo agoWhat? No. Why would he even want to?
- UltraSane 6mo agoEnormous amounts of money?
- bitmasher9 6mo agoHe’s already escaped the permanent underclass.
- philipallstar 6mo agoMeaning it's not permanent.
- saagarjha 6mo agoThe idea is that it becomes permanent in the future.
- naravara 6mo agoThe more abstract the “wealth” becomes the less it means in practical terms. The class dynamics around money mostly has to do with the State actively preserving and protecting claims over assets. If that same wealth becomes sufficiently concentrated with an overclass that it leeches away the competence and legitimacy of the State, then the underclass has other means of correcting the gap and establishing a more sustainable equilibrium.
- bitmasher9 6mo agoThe traditional means of reestablishing equilibrium are becoming more and more infeasible as state defenses and tactics improve. We are rapidly approaching a time when the asymmetric attacks on state protections traditionally used are less effective than the information asymmetry that the state can enforce. Hong Kong is a great example of these defenses leveraged effectively.
- naravara 6mo agoIt’s possible, but I know people felt the same during prior technological revolutions like the advent of broadcast media (which fascist movements took too with great enthusiasm). I think people are clever, we learn from every failure and adapt.
- afavour 6mo agoHe produces Broadway shows these days. Never say never but that kind of thing screams an “I’ve got all the cash I need, now I’m following my passions” mindset. You certainly don’t do it for the money…
- btown 6mo agoAnd met his co-producer for the (Tony-winning!) show at Lars Ulrich's birthday party! He's doing something right. https://archive.is/ZcTJm https://archive.is/ZcTJm
- MarcelOlsz 6mo ago>He's doing something right. Yes, being rich.
- JKCalhoun 6mo agoForstall fired an engineer I had worked with (and who I respected a lot) to take the fall for Apple Maps.
- Barbing 6mo agoLike one engineer could ever be responsible for that epic of a fiasco?
- Barbing 6mo ago> Maps was bad at launch yes, but it also wouldn't get better without people contributing more data, and the fact that it took a decade to slowly improve implies that there's nothing anyone could have done to get it right "off the bat". Absolutely. Was the choice to release way way way too early the right choice in the end? Needed telemetry, or even more time, to beat Google? Also taking the data from Google must have had significant ramifications.