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Notice the pattern that Chinese providers are now: 1. Keeping models closed source. 2. Jacking up pricing. A lot. Sometimes up to 100% increase.
by wg0 6mo ago
Notice the pattern that Chinese providers are now:
1. Keeping models closed source.
2. Jacking up pricing. A lot. Sometimes up to 100% increase.
- embedding-shape 6mo agoHuh yeah, that's truly a unique trait these Chinese companies don't share with companies in other countries.
- aerhardt 6mo agoNo it is not, but they had a unique positioning around open-source and the parent commenter means that they are losing it.
- esperent 6mo agoAgain, a trait they share with companies in other countries. It's the obvious business model: get known by releasing impressive open models, then pivot to closed for even more impressive models. That's going to be the path for every new company from every country, I assume. They are not releasing open models out of the goodness of their hearts. They are for-profit companies, they don't have hearts, they just have balance sheets.
- cute_boi 6mo agoWell, they can't subsidize forever. And, it is kinda expected?
- gpm 6mo agoConsidering the propaganda value in controlling the inputs to the machine that answers peoples questions, I rather expect them to be subsidized forever.
- bigyabai 6mo agoConsider the propaganda value of a centrally-controlled apparatus like the iPhone, and then reflect on the 100%+ profit margins that product has enjoyed for the past decade.
- OtomotO 6mo agoUS companies hate that trick?!
- rc_kas 6mo agoyou mean: invented
- sunaookami 6mo agoYeah Claude Haiku (don't remember the version) did it first, they claimed it was because "it's smarter now" (it's still dumb). Then OpenAI did it with GPT-5 and Google did the same with Gemini Flash and now every new model version is at least twice as expensive than the one before that.
- ai_fry_ur_brain 6mo agoYeah, its almost like the casinos started rigging the game after they got all the addicts hooked. Who saw that coming??? If you overuse LLMs or get excited about them at all, you're ngmi and a complete idiot.
- Tepix 6mo agoAre you talking about GLM 5.1, DeepSeek V3.2 or Kimi K2.6 (released one hour ago!)? Oh wait, it doesn't apply to those…
- dingocat 6mo agoYet.
- Kerrick 6mo agoZ.ai's Coding Plan with GLM 5.1 (Max) did more than double in price. It was $80 two weeks ago, and now it's $160.
- slopinthebag 6mo agoCoding plans are subsidised crap anyways, the real price win is the API pricing which is not.
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- cnlwsu 6mo agowhat only Oracle can do it?
- throwaway613746 6mo ago[dead]
- nicce 6mo ago> Jacking up pricing. A lot. Sometimes up to 100% increase. How is that different from American?
- halJordan 6mo agoQwen max has always been cloud only. And its a 1T+ model so it would be expensive