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K2.5 was already pretty decent so I would try this. Starting at $15/month: https://www.kimi.com/membership/pricing https://www.kimi.com/membership/pricing edit

by esafak 7mo ago

K2.5 was already pretty decent so I would try this. Starting at $15/month: https://www.kimi.com/membership/pricing https://www.kimi.com/membership/pricing edit: Note that you can run it yourself with sufficient resources (e.g., companies), or access it from other providers too: https://openrouter.ai/moonshotai/kimi-k2.6/providers https://openrouter.ai/moonshotai/kimi-k2.6/providers

wg0 7mo ago
How are the usage limits compared to Anthropic?
- greenavocado 7mo ago
  Anthropic has the worst usage limits in the industry
  - andriy_koval 7mo ago
    gemini is worse imo
    - deaux 7mo ago
      You're correct, Gemini chat limits are a joke at their chapest paid tier compared to both Claude and GPT. Especially crazy when you consider Gemini 3 Pro is more than twice as cheap as Opus 4.6 on the API. It's hard to run into pure chat limits on Claude even if you only use Opus on the cheapest tier, whereas with Gemini it's easy to hit. Not sure about coding usage, Google being weird about these things I could see that quota being separate.
      - gessha 7mo ago
        I’m not sure what A/B test you’re part of but on Claude Code Pro, I hit every single one of my quotas without exception. If you analyze/process images it’s even worse: I hit rate limits first and if I use separate sessions, I hit my quotas too. I use up so many tokens that Jensen should hire me.
        deaux 7mo ago
        I specifically stated "chat" and "not sure about coding usage" but you're saying "Claude Code Pro".
        gessha 7mo ago
        You're right, I missed that part.
pbowyer 7mo ago
What's the privacy/data security like? I can't find that on that page. Edit: found it. > We may use your Content to operate, maintain, improve, and develop the Services, to comply with legal obligations, to enforce our policies, and to ensure security. You may opt out of allowing your Content to be used for model improvement and research purposes by contacting us at membership@moonshot.ai. We will honor your choice in accordance with applicable law. Section 3 of https://www.kimi.com/user/agreement/modelUse?version=v2 https://www.kimi.com/user/agreement/modelUse?version=v2
- pixel_popping 7mo ago
  You really rely on ToS from Anthropic/OpenAI to know if they use your prompts or not? It's on their servers, why wouldn't they use our data?
  - veber-alex 7mo ago
    Antropic and OpenAI are used by US businesses and government and they are audited and under contracts. If it's discovered they trained on data they shouldn't have had it will be the end of their business. On the other hand, good luck suing a Chinese company.
    - pixel_popping 7mo ago
      Not at all, Google/Meta... got caught all the time, where do you see it's the end of their business?
- gpm 7mo ago
  > We will honor your choice in accordance with applicable law. So in other words only if you can point to a local law which requires them to comply with the opt out?
  - jdasdf 7mo ago
    most laws enforce agreements.
SwellJoe 7mo ago
"sufficient resources" is going to be a lot of resources. I doubt this will run on even something like a Strix Halo or DGX Spark, even at 1-bit quantization. You'll need a 256GB or 512GB Mac Studio, or a monster GPU situation, to run it locally, I think, though quantized versions aren't showing up yet, to be sure.
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by esafak 7mo ago

wg0 7mo ago

How are the usage limits compared to Anthropic?

greenavocado 7mo ago
Anthropic has the worst usage limits in the industry
- andriy_koval 7mo ago
  gemini is worse imo
  - deaux 7mo ago
    You're correct, Gemini chat limits are a joke at their chapest paid tier compared to both Claude and GPT. Especially crazy when you consider Gemini 3 Pro is more than twice as cheap as Opus 4.6 on the API. It's hard to run into pure chat limits on Claude even if you only use Opus on the cheapest tier, whereas with Gemini it's easy to hit. Not sure about coding usage, Google being weird about these things I could see that quota being separate.
    - gessha 7mo ago
      I’m not sure what A/B test you’re part of but on Claude Code Pro, I hit every single one of my quotas without exception. If you analyze/process images it’s even worse: I hit rate limits first and if I use separate sessions, I hit my quotas too. I use up so many tokens that Jensen should hire me.
      - deaux 7mo ago
        I specifically stated "chat" and "not sure about coding usage" but you're saying "Claude Code Pro".
        gessha 7mo ago
        You're right, I missed that part.

pbowyer 7mo ago

What's the privacy/data security like? I can't find that on that page. Edit: found it. > We may use your Content to operate, maintain, improve, and develop the Services, to comply with legal obligations, to enforce our policies, and to ensure security. You may opt out of allowing your Content to be used for model improvement and research purposes by contacting us at membership@moonshot.ai. We will honor your choice in accordance with applicable law. Section 3 of https://www.kimi.com/user/agreement/modelUse?version=v2 https://www.kimi.com/user/agreement/modelUse?version=v2

pixel_popping 7mo ago
You really rely on ToS from Anthropic/OpenAI to know if they use your prompts or not? It's on their servers, why wouldn't they use our data?
- veber-alex 7mo ago
  Antropic and OpenAI are used by US businesses and government and they are audited and under contracts. If it's discovered they trained on data they shouldn't have had it will be the end of their business. On the other hand, good luck suing a Chinese company.
  - pixel_popping 7mo ago
    Not at all, Google/Meta... got caught all the time, where do you see it's the end of their business?
gpm 7mo ago
> We will honor your choice in accordance with applicable law. So in other words only if you can point to a local law which requires them to comply with the opt out?
- jdasdf 7mo ago
  most laws enforce agreements.

SwellJoe 7mo ago

"sufficient resources" is going to be a lot of resources. I doubt this will run on even something like a Strix Halo or DGX Spark, even at 1-bit quantization. You'll need a 256GB or 512GB Mac Studio, or a monster GPU situation, to run it locally, I think, though quantized versions aren't showing up yet, to be sure.

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