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> enforcing this will immediately cause havoc as any number of citizens do not have ready access to any document proving citizenship Yes, that is obviously the

by pjc50 7mo ago

> enforcing this will immediately cause havoc as any number of citizens do not have ready access to any document proving citizenship Yes, that is obviously the intention of this system.

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
> that is obviously the intention of this system I'm genuinely unsure which way the partisan tilt would lean on American citizens who get unbanked.
- pjc50 7mo ago
  > which way the partisan tilt would lean on American citizens who get unbanked. Obviously the court of Fox public opinion would examine their social media to determine if they're woke or Hispanic before deciding this.
- bediger4000 7mo ago
  If they don't have documentation, are they citizens?
  - pjc50 7mo ago
    It is very, very important to the national psyche of both the UK and the US that the answer to this question can be "yes".
    - josteink 7mo ago
      Can you for an outsider expand on this argument. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but why is that?
      - runako 7mo ago
        If the US Constitution is to have force as the core document foundational to the governance of the US, it is important for its clear text to have the force of law. An executive agency creating new requirements for citizenship has the effect of overriding the Constitution, which brings into question what are the controlling documents for the country.
      - TheCoelacanth 7mo ago
        > All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. This is part of the US constitution. There's no "if they have proper documentation" qualification.
  - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
    > If they don't have documentation, are they citizens? Yes. As OP said, "anyone who has changed their name and does not have a notarized copy of the name change certificate, and most people who do not drive." Note that the first category includes many married women.
- ryandrake 7mo ago
  I don't even think it's about partisan tilt anymore. This administration's M.O. is raw chaos, havoc, and just this low-level randomized churn that keeps us all conditioned to believe that nothing in government works deterministically anymore.

by pjc50 7mo ago

> enforcing this will immediately cause havoc as any number of citizens do not have ready access to any document proving citizenship Yes, that is obviously the intention of this system.

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago

> that is obviously the intention of this system I'm genuinely unsure which way the partisan tilt would lean on American citizens who get unbanked.

pjc50 7mo ago
> which way the partisan tilt would lean on American citizens who get unbanked. Obviously the court of Fox public opinion would examine their social media to determine if they're woke or Hispanic before deciding this.
bediger4000 7mo ago
If they don't have documentation, are they citizens?
- pjc50 7mo ago
  It is very, very important to the national psyche of both the UK and the US that the answer to this question can be "yes".
  - josteink 7mo ago
    Can you for an outsider expand on this argument. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but why is that?
    - runako 7mo ago
      If the US Constitution is to have force as the core document foundational to the governance of the US, it is important for its clear text to have the force of law. An executive agency creating new requirements for citizenship has the effect of overriding the Constitution, which brings into question what are the controlling documents for the country.
    - TheCoelacanth 7mo ago
      > All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. This is part of the US constitution. There's no "if they have proper documentation" qualification.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
  > If they don't have documentation, are they citizens? Yes. As OP said, "anyone who has changed their name and does not have a notarized copy of the name change certificate, and most people who do not drive." Note that the first category includes many married women.
ryandrake 7mo ago
I don't even think it's about partisan tilt anymore. This administration's M.O. is raw chaos, havoc, and just this low-level randomized churn that keeps us all conditioned to believe that nothing in government works deterministically anymore.