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> Tesla vehicles have a fatal crash rate of 5.6 per billion miles driven, according to the study; Kia is second with a rate of 5.5, Basically the same as Kia.

> Tesla vehicles have a fatal crash rate of 5.6 per billion miles driven, according to the study; Kia is second with a rate of 5.5, Basically the same as Kia. Why are Kias so bad?

xutopia 6mo ago
2 reasons I can see. Kia have way smaller and cheaper cars with less security features to market. Tesla had front page news at some point saying how they were the safest car ever produced. Tesla is giving people driving their cars a false sense of security.
- philipallstar 6mo ago
  But the article doesn't say that at all - quite the opposite: > The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws. In fact, Tesla vehicles are loaded with safety technology; the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) named the 2024 Model Y as a Top Safety Pick+ award winner, for example. Many of the other cars that ranked highly on the list have also been given high ratings for safety by the likes of IIHS and the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, as well.
dangus 6mo ago
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- infecto 6mo ago
  You’re missing the obvious explanation here. Driver profile. You could have the safest car around but if it’s being driven by unsafe drivers it will lead to higher accidents and fatalities.
  - senordevnyc 6mo ago
    I can get on board with the rationale that Tesla drivers are idiots.
  - dangus 6mo ago
    The model Y and S are far too high volume to fall into a driver profile issue. Why are we looking at this from a perspective of making an attempt to exonerate Tesla first? Why not trust the data until a better explanation arises? Basically you’re just guessing that it’s the drivers’ fault, but that’s not what the data says specifically.
    - infecto 6mo ago
      You’re arguing about some data from a study that came out a year ago that nobody could reproduce and has since been debunked because they were not using true vehicle miles traveled. I am not guessing anything but suggesting that you’re making up narratives that make you feel good. I prefer truth and honesty over feeling good.
      - dangus 6mo ago
        Who debunked it? Even the links given to Snopes and a Tesla employee/executive in this discussion didn’t debunk it. The Tesla employee just said “nuh uh the denominator is bigger” as if we should believe a non-independent source. I think it’s hilarious the lengths people will go to give Tesla the benefit of the doubt. Nobody would be questioning a study like this if Ford was the discussion topic. We would all just be saying “oh yeah, that checks out, Ford slaps together garbage vehicles, I’m not surprised.”
        infecto 6mo ago
        Nobody is going to any lengths. This is an old article without any real reporting. This hit the meme cycle over a year ago. Tesla still rates high on safety from different agencies. I have no feeling about weather it’s true or not. Just tired of folks like yourself that have no issue perpetuating bad reporting or misinformation. It is like those comments on news articles, sad.
- philipallstar 6mo ago
  > You’re so close to understanding! Sorry, I don't understand this. I'm just asking a question. Do you reply to every question with that?
infecto 6mo ago
I am sure there is a component of safety systems in a Kia but I would bet the bigger weighting is on driver profile.
estearum 6mo ago
Until recently, Kias were sub-entry level shitboxes This would affect both driver selection and performance during impact Slap a ridiculously powerful drivetrain on it and a premium price tag and you have a Tesla

> Tesla vehicles have a fatal crash rate of 5.6 per billion miles driven, according to the study; Kia is second with a rate of 5.5, Basically the same as Kia. Why are Kias so bad?

xutopia 6mo ago

2 reasons I can see. Kia have way smaller and cheaper cars with less security features to market. Tesla had front page news at some point saying how they were the safest car ever produced. Tesla is giving people driving their cars a false sense of security.

philipallstar 6mo ago
But the article doesn't say that at all - quite the opposite: > The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws. In fact, Tesla vehicles are loaded with safety technology; the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) named the 2024 Model Y as a Top Safety Pick+ award winner, for example. Many of the other cars that ranked highly on the list have also been given high ratings for safety by the likes of IIHS and the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, as well.

dangus 6mo ago

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infecto 6mo ago
You’re missing the obvious explanation here. Driver profile. You could have the safest car around but if it’s being driven by unsafe drivers it will lead to higher accidents and fatalities.
- senordevnyc 6mo ago
  I can get on board with the rationale that Tesla drivers are idiots.
- dangus 6mo ago
  The model Y and S are far too high volume to fall into a driver profile issue. Why are we looking at this from a perspective of making an attempt to exonerate Tesla first? Why not trust the data until a better explanation arises? Basically you’re just guessing that it’s the drivers’ fault, but that’s not what the data says specifically.
  - infecto 6mo ago
    You’re arguing about some data from a study that came out a year ago that nobody could reproduce and has since been debunked because they were not using true vehicle miles traveled. I am not guessing anything but suggesting that you’re making up narratives that make you feel good. I prefer truth and honesty over feeling good.
    - dangus 6mo ago
      Who debunked it? Even the links given to Snopes and a Tesla employee/executive in this discussion didn’t debunk it. The Tesla employee just said “nuh uh the denominator is bigger” as if we should believe a non-independent source. I think it’s hilarious the lengths people will go to give Tesla the benefit of the doubt. Nobody would be questioning a study like this if Ford was the discussion topic. We would all just be saying “oh yeah, that checks out, Ford slaps together garbage vehicles, I’m not surprised.”
      - infecto 6mo ago
        Nobody is going to any lengths. This is an old article without any real reporting. This hit the meme cycle over a year ago. Tesla still rates high on safety from different agencies. I have no feeling about weather it’s true or not. Just tired of folks like yourself that have no issue perpetuating bad reporting or misinformation. It is like those comments on news articles, sad.
philipallstar 6mo ago
> You’re so close to understanding! Sorry, I don't understand this. I'm just asking a question. Do you reply to every question with that?

infecto 6mo ago

I am sure there is a component of safety systems in a Kia but I would bet the bigger weighting is on driver profile.

estearum 6mo ago

Until recently, Kias were sub-entry level shitboxes This would affect both driver selection and performance during impact Slap a ridiculously powerful drivetrain on it and a premium price tag and you have a Tesla