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Does anyone have any thoughts on the browser itself? I'm using it right now and first impressions are that it's (subjective..) ridiculously fast, compared to I

Does anyone have any thoughts on the browser itself? I'm using it right now and first impressions are that it's (subjective..) ridiculously fast, compared to IE9. Gmail, Google Calendar and Reader are really snappy, and more importantly, (imho) the biggest UX annoyance has been dealt with: a new tab opens up and is ready for use instantly.

tomelders 14y ago
It's yesterdays browser, tomorrow. That may sound trite, because it is. It's also true. It's IE9 with IE10's substandard HTML, JS and CSS stuff shoehorned in. That doesn't even make for a better IE9, it makes for a completely different beast of a browser. Realistically, I'm only ever going to use it to browser test, so for me and possibly everyone else here on HN, the most important feature is going to be the developer tools. And in this version of IE What's not to like? Everything. That's what. All it's good for is checking the console, but even then it's like having your debugging info spoken to you by a special needs kid with a lisp. Objects are still just the ever useless [object Object]. Minor javascript errors are enough to send it into a tailspin, followed up by an inevitable crash. I still don't understand why the console displays line numbers as links when clicking them does nothing. Profiler and Network, yeah, they do their job ok-ish, but they do the bare minimum. Also, I wonder: when they had the meeting at Microsoft to decide what to call the "disable cache" option, which bight spark suggested "Always refresh from server" would be the best label to properly convey the feature. Probably the same bright spark who decided to make it do absolutely nothing so you still have to empty the cache every fucking time anyway. My rating: 0/10. As far as I can tell, there's not one single aspect of it that's in any way better than anything the competition offers. Zero "things" that could earn it even a solitary point. I'm sick to the back teeth of IE and it's bullshit. Three sarcastic cheers for yet another turd we all have to work late to support.
- ladzoppelin 14y ago
  Have you used the Metro version of IE10? It's pretty nice. 0/10 is laughable considering how well it handles hardware acceleration and how it looks in full screen Metro mode. I use Firefox Aurora but like using IE 10 as an alternate so I don't have to install Chrome.
  - tomelders 14y ago
    I thought we were talking about the "Release Preview for IE 10 on Windows 7"? That's what the post is about. It's nice to know you have Hardware acceleration on Metro. But um... that's nothing new. I've been enjoying hardware acceleration for 2 years now. Again, it might be a new feature to IE, but it's an old feature for browsers in general.
- ZoFreX 14y ago
  Has the HTML/CSS inspector been updated at all?
  - preavy 14y ago
    In Chrome I'm used to being able to right-click on part of the page and go straight into Inspect Element. IE 10 still doesn't have that. As far as I can see, there's no autocomplete in the console. I would also really miss one or two extensions, and bookmark sync across machines. So I don't think IE 10 is a contender for my main browser. Very taken with the text rendering though.
  - tomelders 14y ago
    Slightly. Ever so slightly. But not in any meaningful way as far as I can tell.
preavy 14y ago
After using it for a few minutes on W7, it feels at least as snappy as my normal browser, Chrome. More surprising for me is that the font rendering looks better than Chrome. Hmmm.
- shrikant 14y ago
  That could be because it uses ClearType 'natively'.
ygra 14y ago
New Tab performance has varied for me on different machines and installations, sometimes being instant and snappy and sometimes needing several seconds. The greatest impact often are plugins, though, since IE still caters for plugins from the 90s by emulating appropriate events for “new browser window” when a tab is opened. Under “Manage add-ons” you can see how much load or navigation time each has.

tomelders 14y ago

It's yesterdays browser, tomorrow. That may sound trite, because it is. It's also true. It's IE9 with IE10's substandard HTML, JS and CSS stuff shoehorned in. That doesn't even make for a better IE9, it makes for a completely different beast of a browser. Realistically, I'm only ever going to use it to browser test, so for me and possibly everyone else here on HN, the most important feature is going to be the developer tools. And in this version of IE What's not to like? Everything. That's what. All it's good for is checking the console, but even then it's like having your debugging info spoken to you by a special needs kid with a lisp. Objects are still just the ever useless [object Object]. Minor javascript errors are enough to send it into a tailspin, followed up by an inevitable crash. I still don't understand why the console displays line numbers as links when clicking them does nothing. Profiler and Network, yeah, they do their job ok-ish, but they do the bare minimum. Also, I wonder: when they had the meeting at Microsoft to decide what to call the "disable cache" option, which bight spark suggested "Always refresh from server" would be the best label to properly convey the feature. Probably the same bright spark who decided to make it do absolutely nothing so you still have to empty the cache every fucking time anyway. My rating: 0/10. As far as I can tell, there's not one single aspect of it that's in any way better than anything the competition offers. Zero "things" that could earn it even a solitary point. I'm sick to the back teeth of IE and it's bullshit. Three sarcastic cheers for yet another turd we all have to work late to support.

ladzoppelin 14y ago
Have you used the Metro version of IE10? It's pretty nice. 0/10 is laughable considering how well it handles hardware acceleration and how it looks in full screen Metro mode. I use Firefox Aurora but like using IE 10 as an alternate so I don't have to install Chrome.
- tomelders 14y ago
  I thought we were talking about the "Release Preview for IE 10 on Windows 7"? That's what the post is about. It's nice to know you have Hardware acceleration on Metro. But um... that's nothing new. I've been enjoying hardware acceleration for 2 years now. Again, it might be a new feature to IE, but it's an old feature for browsers in general.
ZoFreX 14y ago
Has the HTML/CSS inspector been updated at all?
- preavy 14y ago
  In Chrome I'm used to being able to right-click on part of the page and go straight into Inspect Element. IE 10 still doesn't have that. As far as I can see, there's no autocomplete in the console. I would also really miss one or two extensions, and bookmark sync across machines. So I don't think IE 10 is a contender for my main browser. Very taken with the text rendering though.
- tomelders 14y ago
  Slightly. Ever so slightly. But not in any meaningful way as far as I can tell.

preavy 14y ago

After using it for a few minutes on W7, it feels at least as snappy as my normal browser, Chrome. More surprising for me is that the font rendering looks better than Chrome. Hmmm.

shrikant 14y ago
That could be because it uses ClearType 'natively'.

ygra 14y ago

New Tab performance has varied for me on different machines and installations, sometimes being instant and snappy and sometimes needing several seconds. The greatest impact often are plugins, though, since IE still caters for plugins from the 90s by emulating appropriate events for “new browser window” when a tab is opened. Under “Manage add-ons” you can see how much load or navigation time each has.