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Agreed. My town has a homeless problem. They say they need beds so the town adds beds and now we get homeless from all the other towns coming in. Comparatively

Agreed. My town has a homeless problem. They say they need beds so the town adds beds and now we get homeless from all the other towns coming in. Comparatively few of our homeless are from here.

Schiendelman 6mo ago
Do be careful. Everyone claims that, but it's almost always something like 80% local in every place that measures.
- SilverElfin 6mo ago
  The measurements are always wrong. Volunteers tell people to lie on the point in time surveys so programs supporting them (or claiming to support them) keep getting funding. In the west coast cities the majority are from elsewhere and it’s easy to confirm if you actually talk to some of them and learn more about the backgrounds of people at the camp. They are there because not only are they tolerated and can break the law without consequences, but they also get free needles to help their habit.
  - FireBeyond 6mo ago
    > but they also get free needles to help their habit They're not getting free needles to "help their habit", they're getting them so they don't re-use or share. Because what's more difficult to help than an addict? An addict with a communicable, potentially fatal, illness. I am an ex-paramedic. I've lost track of the number of times I've administered narcan, gone to ODs, seen the sheer disaster of cotton fever (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23528959/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23528959/). Free needles isn't encouraging people to keep their habit going, it's a means of not adding one more route to death's door.
    - archagon 6mo ago
      The boiling, unspoken subtext to anti-homeless vitriol is often “well, they should just die then.” On occasion, they actually say it out loud: https://endhomelessness.org/media/news-releases/national-alliance-to-end-homelessness-calls-for-immediate-firing-of-fox-news-anchor-over-calls-for-execution-of-people-experiencing-homelessness/ https://endhomelessness.org/media/news-releases/national-all...
      - archagon 6mo ago
        Also, the fact that FireBeyond's comment is downvoted is a massive indictment of this community. They said absolutely nothing worth downvoting for. The hatred for the homeless is sickening.
  - Schiendelman 6mo ago
    Thinking you can confirm something statistical by talking to random people on the street is a lot of the problem with politics. Show me evidence of your claims.

Agreed. My town has a homeless problem. They say they need beds so the town adds beds and now we get homeless from all the other towns coming in. Comparatively few of our homeless are from here.

Schiendelman 6mo ago

Do be careful. Everyone claims that, but it's almost always something like 80% local in every place that measures.

SilverElfin 6mo ago
The measurements are always wrong. Volunteers tell people to lie on the point in time surveys so programs supporting them (or claiming to support them) keep getting funding. In the west coast cities the majority are from elsewhere and it’s easy to confirm if you actually talk to some of them and learn more about the backgrounds of people at the camp. They are there because not only are they tolerated and can break the law without consequences, but they also get free needles to help their habit.
- FireBeyond 6mo ago
  > but they also get free needles to help their habit They're not getting free needles to "help their habit", they're getting them so they don't re-use or share. Because what's more difficult to help than an addict? An addict with a communicable, potentially fatal, illness. I am an ex-paramedic. I've lost track of the number of times I've administered narcan, gone to ODs, seen the sheer disaster of cotton fever (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23528959/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23528959/). Free needles isn't encouraging people to keep their habit going, it's a means of not adding one more route to death's door.
  - archagon 6mo ago
    The boiling, unspoken subtext to anti-homeless vitriol is often “well, they should just die then.” On occasion, they actually say it out loud: https://endhomelessness.org/media/news-releases/national-alliance-to-end-homelessness-calls-for-immediate-firing-of-fox-news-anchor-over-calls-for-execution-of-people-experiencing-homelessness/ https://endhomelessness.org/media/news-releases/national-all...
    - archagon 6mo ago
      Also, the fact that FireBeyond's comment is downvoted is a massive indictment of this community. They said absolutely nothing worth downvoting for. The hatred for the homeless is sickening.
- Schiendelman 6mo ago
  Thinking you can confirm something statistical by talking to random people on the street is a lot of the problem with politics. Show me evidence of your claims.