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The health problems associated with obesity are very real (not to mention that it makes you look worse), GLP-1 agonists really do work for most people to cause

The health problems associated with obesity are very real (not to mention that it makes you look worse), GLP-1 agonists really do work for most people to cause significant weight loss, and it's currently difficult to get them prescribed by a legitimate doctor unless your obesity-related health problems are really severe. This will probably change over the next several years, but in the meantime buying them from a grey market Chinese pharmacy works now, and is reasonably safe and effective.

keane 6mo ago
There’s a good three part radio series from the Center for Investigative Reporting and PRX about how drugs for pets sourced from grey markets played out with the FDA: [index] https://revealnews.org/podcast/cat-drug-feline-infectious-peritonitis-fip-black-market/#:~:text=Dig%20Deeper https://revealnews.org/podcast/cat-drug-feline-infectious-pe... [1] https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug-black-market https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug... [2] https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug-black-market-part-ii https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug... [3] https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug-black-market-part-iii https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug...
trogdor 6mo ago
> it's currently difficult to get them prescribed by a legitimate doctor unless your obesity-related health problems are really severe I think it’s more accurate to say that it’s difficult to get them covered by insurance unless your obesity-related health problems are really severe. In my experience, doctors have no problem prescribing GLP-1 drugs for weight management.
- gedy 6mo ago
  Thing is Bay Area folks usually make good money and these are not that expensive out of pocket.
- trashface 6mo ago
  If you aren't significantly overweight a doc won't want to prescribe a GLP-1. Because if you die while on it for any reason, and your family sues, the expert witness will testify that a GLP-1 wasn't standard of care for a patient with your presentation. Then the doc's insurance loses the case (and he pays way more going forward assuming he can practice at all).
  - JuniperMesos 6mo ago
    This is an argument that the litigiousness of American society incentivizes suboptimal health outcomes from the legitimate health care system because the employees of that system need to legally protect themselves; therefore a person might be better off if they go outside that health care system and buy grey-market Chinese pharmacy peptides labeled not for human use.
evenhash 6mo ago
It is not “reasonably safe”. No reasonable person would inject themselves with drugs they bought from an unregulated pharmacy.

keane 6mo ago

There’s a good three part radio series from the Center for Investigative Reporting and PRX about how drugs for pets sourced from grey markets played out with the FDA: [index] https://revealnews.org/podcast/cat-drug-feline-infectious-peritonitis-fip-black-market/#:~:text=Dig%20Deeper https://revealnews.org/podcast/cat-drug-feline-infectious-pe... [1] https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug-black-market https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug... [2] https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug-black-market-part-ii https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug... [3] https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug-black-market-part-iii https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug...

trogdor 6mo ago

> it's currently difficult to get them prescribed by a legitimate doctor unless your obesity-related health problems are really severe I think it’s more accurate to say that it’s difficult to get them covered by insurance unless your obesity-related health problems are really severe. In my experience, doctors have no problem prescribing GLP-1 drugs for weight management.

gedy 6mo ago
Thing is Bay Area folks usually make good money and these are not that expensive out of pocket.
trashface 6mo ago
If you aren't significantly overweight a doc won't want to prescribe a GLP-1. Because if you die while on it for any reason, and your family sues, the expert witness will testify that a GLP-1 wasn't standard of care for a patient with your presentation. Then the doc's insurance loses the case (and he pays way more going forward assuming he can practice at all).
- JuniperMesos 6mo ago
  This is an argument that the litigiousness of American society incentivizes suboptimal health outcomes from the legitimate health care system because the employees of that system need to legally protect themselves; therefore a person might be better off if they go outside that health care system and buy grey-market Chinese pharmacy peptides labeled not for human use.

evenhash 6mo ago

It is not “reasonably safe”. No reasonable person would inject themselves with drugs they bought from an unregulated pharmacy.