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So we agree but one point: There are tens of thousands of NDEs happening under monitored conditions (operating tables) when we know for a fact that the brain is

So we agree but one point: There are tens of thousands of NDEs happening under monitored conditions (operating tables) when we know for a fact that the brain is out of oxygen and energy according to any know physical (not to mention evolutionary) mechanism, and that has to be explained.

throwanem 6mo ago
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- BoardsOfCanada 6mo ago
  Ok :D
Swizec 6mo ago
> NDEs happening under monitored conditions (operating tables) I had general anesthesia 10 days ago. There was no NDE, felt like they flicked an off switch then turned me back on a few hours later. They wheeled me from the prep room towards the OR, opened the big door, and then I was in a different room waking up from anesthesia. That’s it.
- BoardsOfCanada 6mo ago
  Yes they don't happen 100% of the time or even 10%.
- BobbyTables2 6mo ago
  That’s been my exact experience in each of my 5 occasions. I also once semi-fainted while standing up. Felt unusually calm and care free as my head bashed against a nearby object. Fortunately it wasn’t serious.
- emmelaich 6mo ago
  Do you frequently experience and remember dreams?
  - Swizec 6mo ago
    Yes I even used to do lucid dreaming. These days best I can do is wake up and stop dreams on command. I also regularly experience sleep paralysis. That took a lot of work to get used to.
    - jdbohrman 6mo ago
      Everyone reading this should pull on the sleep paralysis thread if you decide to research this topic. It's a interesting one.
  - the_af 6mo ago
    I do remember dreams. The times where I was anesthesized it was that on/off switch, I completely lost time. No NDE or even dreams.
tsimionescu 6mo ago
If the brain is ever completely inactive (as seen in EEGs) for any length of time, there is no chance of recovery from that state. The body can be kept alive, but the brain is gone and will never have any other activity again. So, I'm not sure what you mean by "out of oxygen and energy according to any phsysical mechanism" - for any patient who has ever recovered to tell a tale of an NDE, we know for a fact that their brain was constantly producing measurable electrical signals for the entire time.

throwanem 6mo ago

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BoardsOfCanada 6mo ago
Ok :D

Swizec 6mo ago

> NDEs happening under monitored conditions (operating tables) I had general anesthesia 10 days ago. There was no NDE, felt like they flicked an off switch then turned me back on a few hours later. They wheeled me from the prep room towards the OR, opened the big door, and then I was in a different room waking up from anesthesia. That’s it.

BoardsOfCanada 6mo ago
Yes they don't happen 100% of the time or even 10%.
BobbyTables2 6mo ago
That’s been my exact experience in each of my 5 occasions. I also once semi-fainted while standing up. Felt unusually calm and care free as my head bashed against a nearby object. Fortunately it wasn’t serious.
emmelaich 6mo ago
Do you frequently experience and remember dreams?
- Swizec 6mo ago
  Yes I even used to do lucid dreaming. These days best I can do is wake up and stop dreams on command. I also regularly experience sleep paralysis. That took a lot of work to get used to.
  - jdbohrman 6mo ago
    Everyone reading this should pull on the sleep paralysis thread if you decide to research this topic. It's a interesting one.
- the_af 6mo ago
  I do remember dreams. The times where I was anesthesized it was that on/off switch, I completely lost time. No NDE or even dreams.

tsimionescu 6mo ago

If the brain is ever completely inactive (as seen in EEGs) for any length of time, there is no chance of recovery from that state. The body can be kept alive, but the brain is gone and will never have any other activity again. So, I'm not sure what you mean by "out of oxygen and energy according to any phsysical mechanism" - for any patient who has ever recovered to tell a tale of an NDE, we know for a fact that their brain was constantly producing measurable electrical signals for the entire time.