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Economically? No idea. Global trust? I'd give it 20-40 years.

by PigeonHolePncpl 6mo ago

tim333 6mo ago
Maybe they could elect someone normal next time around?
- rolph 6mo ago
  the big problem we have is we really dont nominate candidates publicly, there is a process the party goes through vetting nominees. when the public voting occurs there is a line up of some familiar and some a case of who is that from where? recently it has been, "really? is that the best candidate that party has to proffer? they both did it, now what?"
  - M95D 6mo ago
    No, that's not a/the problem. You had the chance to vote independent - Bernie. You didn't.
    - jfengel 6mo ago
      He did have to leave his independent status and join the Democratic party in order to participate in the primaries. But that was just a formality; he filled out a form. Some people did vote for him. Just nowhere near a majority. A lot of people resented that, and stayed home rather than vote for the primary winner. So she lost, and the rest is very literally history.
  - jfengel 6mo ago
    Outsiders can and do win in the primaries. Trump is the most prominent example. He was not a familiar regular, and nobody in the party leadership wanted him. He won the primary, and went on to win the Presidency. The party leadership came around to support him, and the new leadership is vetted by him rather than the other way around.
surgical_fire 6mo ago
That presumes a sharp correction in the direction the US is heading, whatever it is. Is that a given?
- bediger4000 6mo ago
  No. Sure, MAGA Republicans are only 25-30% of the population, but most of the people share at least some beliefs that would hold the entire nation back. There's widespread economic illiteracy, that leads to people generally favoring monopolies, and not believing in economy of scale in some circumstances. It's an article of faith that the press has a liberal bias. Lots of people distrust elections. There are lots of authoritarians, which is the fertile ground that let Trump take power in the first place.

Economically? No idea. Global trust? I'd give it 20-40 years.

tim333 6mo ago

Maybe they could elect someone normal next time around?

rolph 6mo ago
the big problem we have is we really dont nominate candidates publicly, there is a process the party goes through vetting nominees. when the public voting occurs there is a line up of some familiar and some a case of who is that from where? recently it has been, "really? is that the best candidate that party has to proffer? they both did it, now what?"
- M95D 6mo ago
  No, that's not a/the problem. You had the chance to vote independent - Bernie. You didn't.
  - jfengel 6mo ago
    He did have to leave his independent status and join the Democratic party in order to participate in the primaries. But that was just a formality; he filled out a form. Some people did vote for him. Just nowhere near a majority. A lot of people resented that, and stayed home rather than vote for the primary winner. So she lost, and the rest is very literally history.
- jfengel 6mo ago
  Outsiders can and do win in the primaries. Trump is the most prominent example. He was not a familiar regular, and nobody in the party leadership wanted him. He won the primary, and went on to win the Presidency. The party leadership came around to support him, and the new leadership is vetted by him rather than the other way around.

surgical_fire 6mo ago

That presumes a sharp correction in the direction the US is heading, whatever it is. Is that a given?

bediger4000 6mo ago
No. Sure, MAGA Republicans are only 25-30% of the population, but most of the people share at least some beliefs that would hold the entire nation back. There's widespread economic illiteracy, that leads to people generally favoring monopolies, and not believing in economy of scale in some circumstances. It's an article of faith that the press has a liberal bias. Lots of people distrust elections. There are lots of authoritarians, which is the fertile ground that let Trump take power in the first place.