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It won't be long now before the US imposes sanctions on Ottawa and funds separatist movements across Canada.

JohnTHaller 7mo ago
It would be unsurprising if US-based conservative think tanks were already doing this. Worth noting that the ones we'd be unsurprised to see do this are neither conservative nor think tanks.
- morkalork 7mo ago
  This MP is best buds with JD Vance: https://provincialtimes.ca/questions-mount-over-jamil-jivanis-nationwide-restore-the-north-tour/ https://provincialtimes.ca/questions-mount-over-jamil-jivani...
RickJWagner 7mo ago
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- morkalork 7mo ago
  Do you just pretend the US's history of undermining states in central and south America doesn't exist?
  - RickJWagner 7mo ago
    No, I said I have never heard an American say they believed we should bring harm to Canada. The consensus seems to be that they are a good neighbor, but different from the US in some aspects. Some, but not all, envy things like healthcare.
    - cherry_tree 7mo ago
      Trump called the Canadian prime minister a governor while threatening 100% tariffs and threatening to annex Greenland. The US government also did literally reach out to Albertan separatists. The actions of the government you support and the supposed “consensus” you cite are opposed.
- kken 7mo ago
  Asking just to be sure: does “conservative voter” imply that you endorse the trump administration? A bit surprised to see this on hn at this time.
  - RickJWagner 7mo ago
    I did vote for Trump. I like some, but not all, of his policies. It should not be surprising. Trump won the popular vote and all seven swing states. Even hardcore supporters tire of some of his antics. Supporters have accomplishments they can be happy with.
    - cherry_tree 7mo ago
      10th lowest winning margin in all of US history. Far from the picture you are trying to paint that most Americans are pro-trump. Most Americans either didn’t vote or voted against trump. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presiden...
    - rjrjrjrj 7mo ago
      > I like some, but not all, of his policies. His only discernible policy is to lie. About everything, all the time.
      - cmrdporcupine 7mo ago
        Honestly, there is a class of voters for which it just ultimately comes down to one issue and one issue only and that is abortion. Trumps fortunes in 2016 were looking pretty bad until the final debate with Clinton where he cornered her into making principled (and completely correct) pro-choice statements (and lied implying she'd support 8th month abortions and because of the way he twisted things she got on the defensive.) That was the end for her. An entire class of "conservative" voters who were uncomfortable with Trump and willing to park their vote with the Democrats temporarily just plugged their nose and voted Trump. And they were paid off for it, too. Anti-abortion supreme court justices put in place and new anti-abortion laws put in place all over. Despite Trump himself having been formerly "pro-choice." If you believe that abortion is literally murder, you probably can't vote any other way. And since then other "culture wars" issues have been thrown into the mix around trans issues and "woke" etc.
- Sabinus 7mo ago
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- cherry_tree 7mo ago
  >voting American here >have never heard of anything even remotely similar And therein lies the problem. What the parent said is something the USA has practiced in dozens of countries. For just a single example, operation cyclone had the USA arming separatist militias to fight against the Soviet afghan government. You may be familiar with one of these militia members: >the most well-known Arab financier and militant of the group during this period was Osama bin Laden, who would later found al-Qaeda and mastermind the September 11 attacks on the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
  - OutOfHere 7mo ago
    I don't know why the above accurate comment is downvoted.
    - Fnoord 7mo ago
      Historically it is correct, and the movie Rambo III even references to it (such movies are made with approval of US military). Stuff like this happens all the time though. You give resources to the enemy of an enemy (temp. friend) and they may end up as your enemy with the demise of your common enemy. Ideal allies you have a lot in common with (shared values) which was true regarding Europe and USA last century.
- mmooss 7mo ago
  > I’d say the most prevalent attitude I see towards Canada is to wish you well. Trump has said otherwise many times and in many ways, and is elected and widely supported. That conveys a lot, regardless of your anecdotal experience.
- OutOfHere 7mo ago
  Just what are you "conservative" about that Trump is too? He is about: more CO2 emissions, more cheap immigrant labor, more wasteful defense spending, senseless support of Israel, more pardons of criminals, destruction of environmental protections, unprofessional murderous gangsters with guns (ICE), and less healthcare. That's what you voted for.
  - Fnoord 7mo ago
    And lies and deception, all the time. I don't understand how a devout Christian can support such, except if I regard religion as tool and these people not religious at all. The hypocrisy level is too damn high. Besides, he doesn't treat women with respect either, and he seems to like to visit prostitutes. That, and a whole lot more. We are scratching surfaces here.
- cmrdporcupine 7mo ago
  Then you're not paying attention, prominent members of the GOP have openly denied the legitimacy of Canadian sovereignty, including senior officials in the Trump administration as well as obviously Trump himself. They have also openly wished harm on our industrial base and on our workers, talking about aggressively dismantling our steel and auto sectors. They have also been having meetings with and providing amplification in media and social media to formerly extremely fringe "separatist" groups in Alberta. All of this began immediately after the assumption of power by Trump in winter 2025. Not to mention active informal (maybe?) social media activity by self-identified conservatives on forums all over the place spreading disinformation and aggression about Canada.
c420 7mo ago
Canada separatists accused of ‘treason’ after secret talks with US state department https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/29/david-eby-alberta-separatism-treason https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/29/david-eby-albe...
cmrdporcupine 7mo ago
The US is already funding separatist movements here.
red-iron-pine 7mo ago
already funding those movements, mate. the Russians are also pushing, esp. for the "get Canada out of NATO" folks we've seen in Edmonton and Calgary

It would be unsurprising if US-based conservative think tanks were already doing this. Worth noting that the ones we'd be unsurprised to see do this are neither conservative nor think tanks.

morkalork 7mo ago
This MP is best buds with JD Vance: https://provincialtimes.ca/questions-mount-over-jamil-jivanis-nationwide-restore-the-north-tour/ https://provincialtimes.ca/questions-mount-over-jamil-jivani...

RickJWagner 7mo ago

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morkalork 7mo ago
Do you just pretend the US's history of undermining states in central and south America doesn't exist?
- RickJWagner 7mo ago
  No, I said I have never heard an American say they believed we should bring harm to Canada. The consensus seems to be that they are a good neighbor, but different from the US in some aspects. Some, but not all, envy things like healthcare.
  - cherry_tree 7mo ago
    Trump called the Canadian prime minister a governor while threatening 100% tariffs and threatening to annex Greenland. The US government also did literally reach out to Albertan separatists. The actions of the government you support and the supposed “consensus” you cite are opposed.
kken 7mo ago
Asking just to be sure: does “conservative voter” imply that you endorse the trump administration? A bit surprised to see this on hn at this time.
- RickJWagner 7mo ago
  I did vote for Trump. I like some, but not all, of his policies. It should not be surprising. Trump won the popular vote and all seven swing states. Even hardcore supporters tire of some of his antics. Supporters have accomplishments they can be happy with.
  - cherry_tree 7mo ago
    10th lowest winning margin in all of US history. Far from the picture you are trying to paint that most Americans are pro-trump. Most Americans either didn’t vote or voted against trump. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presiden...
  - rjrjrjrj 7mo ago
    > I like some, but not all, of his policies. His only discernible policy is to lie. About everything, all the time.
    - cmrdporcupine 7mo ago
      Honestly, there is a class of voters for which it just ultimately comes down to one issue and one issue only and that is abortion. Trumps fortunes in 2016 were looking pretty bad until the final debate with Clinton where he cornered her into making principled (and completely correct) pro-choice statements (and lied implying she'd support 8th month abortions and because of the way he twisted things she got on the defensive.) That was the end for her. An entire class of "conservative" voters who were uncomfortable with Trump and willing to park their vote with the Democrats temporarily just plugged their nose and voted Trump. And they were paid off for it, too. Anti-abortion supreme court justices put in place and new anti-abortion laws put in place all over. Despite Trump himself having been formerly "pro-choice." If you believe that abortion is literally murder, you probably can't vote any other way. And since then other "culture wars" issues have been thrown into the mix around trans issues and "woke" etc.
Sabinus 7mo ago
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cherry_tree 7mo ago
>voting American here >have never heard of anything even remotely similar And therein lies the problem. What the parent said is something the USA has practiced in dozens of countries. For just a single example, operation cyclone had the USA arming separatist militias to fight against the Soviet afghan government. You may be familiar with one of these militia members: >the most well-known Arab financier and militant of the group during this period was Osama bin Laden, who would later found al-Qaeda and mastermind the September 11 attacks on the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
- OutOfHere 7mo ago
  I don't know why the above accurate comment is downvoted.
  - Fnoord 7mo ago
    Historically it is correct, and the movie Rambo III even references to it (such movies are made with approval of US military). Stuff like this happens all the time though. You give resources to the enemy of an enemy (temp. friend) and they may end up as your enemy with the demise of your common enemy. Ideal allies you have a lot in common with (shared values) which was true regarding Europe and USA last century.
mmooss 7mo ago
> I’d say the most prevalent attitude I see towards Canada is to wish you well. Trump has said otherwise many times and in many ways, and is elected and widely supported. That conveys a lot, regardless of your anecdotal experience.
OutOfHere 7mo ago
Just what are you "conservative" about that Trump is too? He is about: more CO2 emissions, more cheap immigrant labor, more wasteful defense spending, senseless support of Israel, more pardons of criminals, destruction of environmental protections, unprofessional murderous gangsters with guns (ICE), and less healthcare. That's what you voted for.
- Fnoord 7mo ago
  And lies and deception, all the time. I don't understand how a devout Christian can support such, except if I regard religion as tool and these people not religious at all. The hypocrisy level is too damn high. Besides, he doesn't treat women with respect either, and he seems to like to visit prostitutes. That, and a whole lot more. We are scratching surfaces here.
cmrdporcupine 7mo ago
Then you're not paying attention, prominent members of the GOP have openly denied the legitimacy of Canadian sovereignty, including senior officials in the Trump administration as well as obviously Trump himself. They have also openly wished harm on our industrial base and on our workers, talking about aggressively dismantling our steel and auto sectors. They have also been having meetings with and providing amplification in media and social media to formerly extremely fringe "separatist" groups in Alberta. All of this began immediately after the assumption of power by Trump in winter 2025. Not to mention active informal (maybe?) social media activity by self-identified conservatives on forums all over the place spreading disinformation and aggression about Canada.

c420 7mo ago

Canada separatists accused of ‘treason’ after secret talks with US state department https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/29/david-eby-alberta-separatism-treason https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/29/david-eby-albe...

cmrdporcupine 7mo ago

The US is already funding separatist movements here.

red-iron-pine 7mo ago

already funding those movements, mate. the Russians are also pushing, esp. for the "get Canada out of NATO" folks we've seen in Edmonton and Calgary