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Kinda wild to me that people are down with injecting mystery substances received from the other end of the world entirely outside any real medical chain or cert

by Havoc 7mo ago

Kinda wild to me that people are down with injecting mystery substances received from the other end of the world entirely outside any real medical chain or certainty of contents or recourse. Like black market steroids except with less track record

650REDHAIR 7mo ago
It’s wild, but unsurprising to me. Coke, “noots”, and psilocybins were big a decade ago and the same argument could be made about their provenance and origin. I was close to a name brand pre-workout company and the FDA would play whack-a-mole with their formulas and they were on store shelves in every US city.
kelnos 7mo ago
It's wild to me in the sense that I wouldn't do it, but not wild in the sense that it's surprising. This isn't anything new. Certainly it's easier nowadays to get stuff from overseas than it was 15+ years ago. But those black market steroids you mention probably weren't much (or any?) safer, honestly, regardless of track record. People have been experimenting with drugs for longer than I've been alive, and will continue doing so long after I've turned to dust. San Francisco, in particular, has a long and storied history with the sort of experimentation described in this article. The author seems to have made the mistake of thinking that this sort of thing is incredibly common and "everyone is doing it" here, but I have no doubt that it does exist and people do it.
almost_usual 7mo ago
Some people always want the ‘hack’ or easy way out. It’s unsurprising to me.
- hackerfoo 7mo ago
  This is pretty much what the startup culture is about. Why work hard on something over a lifetime? It’s better to take a shortcut, then waste the rest of your life goofing off. But they never realize that the “shortcut” is gambling.
JuniperMesos 7mo ago
The health problems associated with obesity are very real (not to mention that it makes you look worse), GLP-1 agonists really do work for most people to cause significant weight loss, and it's currently difficult to get them prescribed by a legitimate doctor unless your obesity-related health problems are really severe. This will probably change over the next several years, but in the meantime buying them from a grey market Chinese pharmacy works now, and is reasonably safe and effective.
- keane 7mo ago
  There’s a good three part radio series from the Center for Investigative Reporting and PRX about how drugs for pets sourced from grey markets played out with the FDA: [index] https://revealnews.org/podcast/cat-drug-feline-infectious-peritonitis-fip-black-market/#:~:text=Dig%20Deeper https://revealnews.org/podcast/cat-drug-feline-infectious-pe... [1] https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug-black-market https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug... [2] https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug-black-market-part-ii https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug... [3] https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug-black-market-part-iii https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug...
- trogdor 7mo ago
  > it's currently difficult to get them prescribed by a legitimate doctor unless your obesity-related health problems are really severe I think it’s more accurate to say that it’s difficult to get them covered by insurance unless your obesity-related health problems are really severe. In my experience, doctors have no problem prescribing GLP-1 drugs for weight management.
  - gedy 7mo ago
    Thing is Bay Area folks usually make good money and these are not that expensive out of pocket.
  - trashface 7mo ago
    If you aren't significantly overweight a doc won't want to prescribe a GLP-1. Because if you die while on it for any reason, and your family sues, the expert witness will testify that a GLP-1 wasn't standard of care for a patient with your presentation. Then the doc's insurance loses the case (and he pays way more going forward assuming he can practice at all).
jliptzin 7mo ago
Not sure what is so surprising. People take health advice from comedian podcasters these days. RFK Jr is HHS Secretary. Maybe 10 years ago this would be wild, but today it is completely and utterly unsurprising.
hibberl6 7mo ago
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by Havoc 7mo ago

650REDHAIR 7mo ago

It’s wild, but unsurprising to me. Coke, “noots”, and psilocybins were big a decade ago and the same argument could be made about their provenance and origin. I was close to a name brand pre-workout company and the FDA would play whack-a-mole with their formulas and they were on store shelves in every US city.

kelnos 7mo ago

It's wild to me in the sense that I wouldn't do it, but not wild in the sense that it's surprising. This isn't anything new. Certainly it's easier nowadays to get stuff from overseas than it was 15+ years ago. But those black market steroids you mention probably weren't much (or any?) safer, honestly, regardless of track record. People have been experimenting with drugs for longer than I've been alive, and will continue doing so long after I've turned to dust. San Francisco, in particular, has a long and storied history with the sort of experimentation described in this article. The author seems to have made the mistake of thinking that this sort of thing is incredibly common and "everyone is doing it" here, but I have no doubt that it does exist and people do it.

almost_usual 7mo ago

Some people always want the ‘hack’ or easy way out. It’s unsurprising to me.

hackerfoo 7mo ago
This is pretty much what the startup culture is about. Why work hard on something over a lifetime? It’s better to take a shortcut, then waste the rest of your life goofing off. But they never realize that the “shortcut” is gambling.

JuniperMesos 7mo ago

The health problems associated with obesity are very real (not to mention that it makes you look worse), GLP-1 agonists really do work for most people to cause significant weight loss, and it's currently difficult to get them prescribed by a legitimate doctor unless your obesity-related health problems are really severe. This will probably change over the next several years, but in the meantime buying them from a grey market Chinese pharmacy works now, and is reasonably safe and effective.

keane 7mo ago
There’s a good three part radio series from the Center for Investigative Reporting and PRX about how drugs for pets sourced from grey markets played out with the FDA: [index] https://revealnews.org/podcast/cat-drug-feline-infectious-peritonitis-fip-black-market/#:~:text=Dig%20Deeper https://revealnews.org/podcast/cat-drug-feline-infectious-pe... [1] https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug-black-market https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug... [2] https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug-black-market-part-ii https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug... [3] https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug-black-market-part-iii https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/the-cat-drug...
trogdor 7mo ago
> it's currently difficult to get them prescribed by a legitimate doctor unless your obesity-related health problems are really severe I think it’s more accurate to say that it’s difficult to get them covered by insurance unless your obesity-related health problems are really severe. In my experience, doctors have no problem prescribing GLP-1 drugs for weight management.
- gedy 7mo ago
  Thing is Bay Area folks usually make good money and these are not that expensive out of pocket.
- trashface 7mo ago
  If you aren't significantly overweight a doc won't want to prescribe a GLP-1. Because if you die while on it for any reason, and your family sues, the expert witness will testify that a GLP-1 wasn't standard of care for a patient with your presentation. Then the doc's insurance loses the case (and he pays way more going forward assuming he can practice at all).

jliptzin 7mo ago

Not sure what is so surprising. People take health advice from comedian podcasters these days. RFK Jr is HHS Secretary. Maybe 10 years ago this would be wild, but today it is completely and utterly unsurprising.

hibberl6 7mo ago

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