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Hacker News is so unserious. 'The middle east is unstable because colonizers created arbitrary boarders forcing ethnic groups together into unsustainable natio

Hacker News is so unserious. 'The middle east is unstable because colonizers created arbitrary boarders forcing ethnic groups together into unsustainable nation structures with unsustainable ethnic tensions inside the boarders' 'Israel MUST return to pre 1967 boarders and must live with ethnicities that as a common political platform call for the death of all jews. Israel cannot consider stability/unsustainable ethnic tension when forming its borders but must use arbitrary boarders and assume ethnic tension will magically disappear in their situation ignoring the reality of hwo that has worked for neighboring countries. Also Israel is racist/ethnosupremecist for recognizing the realities of borders/ethnicities that we ourselves recognize in our previous statements about the borders created in the middle east by European colonizers'

khaledh 6mo ago
If Israel cannot coexist with its neighbours then why plant it in this particular area of the world in the first place? Why not take part of Germany, the country which actually slaughtered millions of jews. Why do the Arabs have to pay the price of something they're not responsible for? Imagine the opposite: an Arab group was planted to occupy part of Europe, occasionally gets into wars with its neighbours, and builds one of the largest weapons arsenals in the world, including nukes. How would Europeans feel about that?
- _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
  That is a completely different argument. I am responding to the people arguing Israel is an outlier/evil because it is an ethno state, should return to arbitrary borders, etc. I am pointing out all the people that say colonial European borders have cause an unstable middle east because they were drawn without consideration of ethnic/cultural tensions. Those people should then support that it is logical for Israel to want intentional borders/internal ethnic/cultural cohesion and that desire/structure is not immoral.
  - khaledh 6mo ago
    What a wonderful idea: "This part of the world is unstable with unsustainable ethnic tension due to the arbitrary borders created by colonizers. Let's ethnically cleanse part of this area and give to jews and put arbitrary borders around it. That will definitely not have consequences."

khaledh 6mo ago

If Israel cannot coexist with its neighbours then why plant it in this particular area of the world in the first place? Why not take part of Germany, the country which actually slaughtered millions of jews. Why do the Arabs have to pay the price of something they're not responsible for? Imagine the opposite: an Arab group was planted to occupy part of Europe, occasionally gets into wars with its neighbours, and builds one of the largest weapons arsenals in the world, including nukes. How would Europeans feel about that?

_DeadFred_ 6mo ago
That is a completely different argument. I am responding to the people arguing Israel is an outlier/evil because it is an ethno state, should return to arbitrary borders, etc. I am pointing out all the people that say colonial European borders have cause an unstable middle east because they were drawn without consideration of ethnic/cultural tensions. Those people should then support that it is logical for Israel to want intentional borders/internal ethnic/cultural cohesion and that desire/structure is not immoral.
- khaledh 6mo ago
  What a wonderful idea: "This part of the world is unstable with unsustainable ethnic tension due to the arbitrary borders created by colonizers. Let's ethnically cleanse part of this area and give to jews and put arbitrary borders around it. That will definitely not have consequences."