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Surely no brand is more hated by web users that Cloudflare

32 points by chrisjj 7mo ago

The only time they see it is when it impedes their access to a site. Yet still the operator emblazons this brand on the interstitial. Why? Does he think he's Tony Stark in Sokovia, or what?

kgraves 7mo ago
Users don't care about Cloudflare and I think you need to go outside. Either you're in a bubble or you're an AI or both.
- al_borland 7mo ago
  I’ve been getting rather annoyed by it personally. I’ve been running a VPN lately for some things and it’s constantly making me check a box before loading sites. Sometimes twice. Once it fell into a loop and I just gave up. I does get in my way less when not going though a VPN.
  - 0xy 7mo ago
    Most users do not do this and therefore will never see this screen.
    - al_borland 7mo ago
      “Never” isn’t true, but they may not see it enough to reach a pain threshold.
- gbear605 7mo ago
  There are plenty of "normies" on social media complaining about it, it's not just a developer bubble.
- chrisjj 7mo ago
  > I think you need to go outside. I am outside. Should I try going inside?
  - nmeagent 7mo ago
    "Man, you guys really need to get inside sometimes and touch Linoleum..."
SyntaxErrorist 7mo ago
It’s ironic how Cloudflare, meant to improve security and performance, ends up causing frustration for so many users when it blocks access to sites.
- zekrioca 7mo ago
  It just looks like an artificial delay being sold as "performance" (well, it is a delay, how can it be performance? I understand the security aspect, but it is really annoying.
skybrian 7mo ago
Are most web users inconvenienced at all? People on Hacker News aren't typical, which probably results in installing more privacy-preserving technologies that trigger captchas.
- negura 7mo ago
  i suggest talking to people about their experiences with tech. i've been surprised how much they've soured on it. and how aware they are regarding issues like privacy, effect on mental health, predatory business models etc. show them the wikipedia page for enshittification and they'll go 'oh so that's the word for it!". also i have VMs running completely vanilla browsers, connected directly to clearnet. and i still get captchas or outright blocks by normal websites like clothing retailers. the internet is a disaster for everyone at the moment
- superkuh 7mo ago
  The people of Hackers News aren't typical and usually have the latest and greatest when it comes to computer hardware and the latest software. Unlike everyone else on earth that doesn't care about such things and often runs old hardware and software and so encounter, and are blocked by, cloudflare's computational paywalls more often than a bleeding edge tech user would imagine.
digitalPhonix 7mo ago
Cloudflare feels like yet another tech company living too long and becoming the villain. Early Cloudflare days I moved all the infrastructure I was responsible for over to them for being so developer friendly. Now they are both developer unfriendly (eg. horror stories around pricing and plan swaps) and consumer unfriendly with way more frequent intersitals than I remember from ~5 years ago. I think every time I log in to GitLab I get a Cloudflare check. Doesn’t matter if I’m on a residential connection, starbucks, airport or VPN.
- rafram 7mo ago
  > I think every time I log in to GitLab I get a Cloudflare check. This is almost certainly GitLab’s doing (though you can ultimately blame irresponsible AI scrapers). Site owners can control how often you see CF captchas.
rafram 7mo ago
Because end users don’t have any ability to avoid sites that use Cloudflare, and it’s free advertising every time a developer sees it. Sure, you might hate Cloudflare on everyone else’s sites, but it’s nice to have it on your side!
troyforster 7mo ago
It is a lot less annoying than cookie banners.
- cassianoleal 7mo ago
  It's really not. For most cookie banners, there's uBO. For most others, it's a single click away from dismissing it. For CF, there's only grief and delays.
csomar 7mo ago
As someone running a web app, I can see the appeal. I get tens of thousands of "attacks" per day from bots scanning for WordPress/PHP files and that's not even counting the "legitimate" bot traffic crawling your site for content or AI training data. Now, tens of thousands of requests probably won't do much if you have basic security, caching, and optimization in place. But if your app is a mess, sometimes it's easier to just slap a Cloudflare gate on it and call it a day.
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grebc 7mo ago
I find it very annoying.
OutOfHere 7mo ago
There are more reasons to hate it. It has a deserved bad reputation of extortion of certain users for no good reason when it believes those users to be too dependent to move away. It is known to do this extortion by suddenly asking them for a lot more money. Another valid reason to hate it is because it MITMs a good chunk of web data, with a strong potential to leak it all to the government without a warrant.
DougN7 7mo ago
I wonder what I do differently. I never see a Cloudflare page - completely forgot that was a thing. It’s been years since I’ve seen one.
- negura 7mo ago
  the internet has become a psychotic corridor of mirrors. where truth and fiction, humans and bots, propagand and anecdata can no longer be told apart. what am i still doing here?
roncesvalles 7mo ago
Google's captcha (the one where you select the squares) is just such a painful experience, I actually get excited when I see Cloudflare's captcha. I'd estimate my Cmd+W rate when I see a gCaptcha is at least 25%.
- marcuschong 7mo ago
  And now it appears every single time I use incognito mode on my browser, somehow. I hate it profoundly.
  - chrisjj 7mo ago
    How, is it is exploiting your browser's failure to protect your privacy, leaking session status.
liviux 7mo ago
Cloudflare helps so much for free, they are the good guys. Try harder to find someone to hate if that's what you seek
- sph 7mo ago
  Doing things for free is being the good guys? Oh, the naivety.
- negura 7mo ago
  enjoy your free product. while i do my business on other websites that didn't block me
- KetoManx64 7mo ago
  Facebook and Google provide all their services for free as well. Why aren't they the good guys too?
  - chrisjj 7mo ago
    I do think Facebook charges for ads. And Google for storage.
- bdangubic 7mo ago
  if you think there is anything free about what they (and any other big tech company) do, I have some Enron stock options to sell to you
- discordance 6mo ago
  Cloudflare Warp could quite easily be a honey pot
negura 7mo ago
any website that is using Cloudflare and has a legal obligation towards you (like processing refunds, registering complaints, GDPR data requests, etc.) can be forced to fulfill that obligation via manual human labour. just contact them and say you're unable to do it using their website because the Cloudflare service is blocking you
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glider6360 7mo ago
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queenkjuul 7mo ago
I'll take a one-click cloudflare captcha over Google bullshit 10/10 times
is_true 6mo ago
It really depends on how the owners of the site configure it. For example, I live una border and sometimes my phone connectsnto the other country's mobile network, when that happens the national weather service becomes unusable for me.
- chrisjj 6mo ago
  It being the branding??
ddactic 6mo ago
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32 points by chrisjj 7mo ago

The only time they see it is when it impedes their access to a site. Yet still the operator emblazons this brand on the interstitial. Why? Does he think he's Tony Stark in Sokovia, or what?

kgraves 7mo ago

Users don't care about Cloudflare and I think you need to go outside. Either you're in a bubble or you're an AI or both.

al_borland 7mo ago
I’ve been getting rather annoyed by it personally. I’ve been running a VPN lately for some things and it’s constantly making me check a box before loading sites. Sometimes twice. Once it fell into a loop and I just gave up. I does get in my way less when not going though a VPN.
- 0xy 7mo ago
  Most users do not do this and therefore will never see this screen.
  - al_borland 7mo ago
    “Never” isn’t true, but they may not see it enough to reach a pain threshold.
gbear605 7mo ago
There are plenty of "normies" on social media complaining about it, it's not just a developer bubble.
chrisjj 7mo ago
> I think you need to go outside. I am outside. Should I try going inside?
- nmeagent 7mo ago
  "Man, you guys really need to get inside sometimes and touch Linoleum..."

SyntaxErrorist 7mo ago

It’s ironic how Cloudflare, meant to improve security and performance, ends up causing frustration for so many users when it blocks access to sites.

zekrioca 7mo ago
It just looks like an artificial delay being sold as "performance" (well, it is a delay, how can it be performance? I understand the security aspect, but it is really annoying.

skybrian 7mo ago

Are most web users inconvenienced at all? People on Hacker News aren't typical, which probably results in installing more privacy-preserving technologies that trigger captchas.

negura 7mo ago
i suggest talking to people about their experiences with tech. i've been surprised how much they've soured on it. and how aware they are regarding issues like privacy, effect on mental health, predatory business models etc. show them the wikipedia page for enshittification and they'll go 'oh so that's the word for it!". also i have VMs running completely vanilla browsers, connected directly to clearnet. and i still get captchas or outright blocks by normal websites like clothing retailers. the internet is a disaster for everyone at the moment
superkuh 7mo ago
The people of Hackers News aren't typical and usually have the latest and greatest when it comes to computer hardware and the latest software. Unlike everyone else on earth that doesn't care about such things and often runs old hardware and software and so encounter, and are blocked by, cloudflare's computational paywalls more often than a bleeding edge tech user would imagine.

digitalPhonix 7mo ago

Cloudflare feels like yet another tech company living too long and becoming the villain. Early Cloudflare days I moved all the infrastructure I was responsible for over to them for being so developer friendly. Now they are both developer unfriendly (eg. horror stories around pricing and plan swaps) and consumer unfriendly with way more frequent intersitals than I remember from ~5 years ago. I think every time I log in to GitLab I get a Cloudflare check. Doesn’t matter if I’m on a residential connection, starbucks, airport or VPN.

rafram 7mo ago
> I think every time I log in to GitLab I get a Cloudflare check. This is almost certainly GitLab’s doing (though you can ultimately blame irresponsible AI scrapers). Site owners can control how often you see CF captchas.

rafram 7mo ago

Because end users don’t have any ability to avoid sites that use Cloudflare, and it’s free advertising every time a developer sees it. Sure, you might hate Cloudflare on everyone else’s sites, but it’s nice to have it on your side!

troyforster 7mo ago

It is a lot less annoying than cookie banners.

cassianoleal 7mo ago
It's really not. For most cookie banners, there's uBO. For most others, it's a single click away from dismissing it. For CF, there's only grief and delays.

csomar 7mo ago

As someone running a web app, I can see the appeal. I get tens of thousands of "attacks" per day from bots scanning for WordPress/PHP files and that's not even counting the "legitimate" bot traffic crawling your site for content or AI training data. Now, tens of thousands of requests probably won't do much if you have basic security, caching, and optimization in place. But if your app is a mess, sometimes it's easier to just slap a Cloudflare gate on it and call it a day.

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grebc 7mo ago

I find it very annoying.

OutOfHere 7mo ago

There are more reasons to hate it. It has a deserved bad reputation of extortion of certain users for no good reason when it believes those users to be too dependent to move away. It is known to do this extortion by suddenly asking them for a lot more money. Another valid reason to hate it is because it MITMs a good chunk of web data, with a strong potential to leak it all to the government without a warrant.

DougN7 7mo ago

I wonder what I do differently. I never see a Cloudflare page - completely forgot that was a thing. It’s been years since I’ve seen one.

negura 7mo ago
the internet has become a psychotic corridor of mirrors. where truth and fiction, humans and bots, propagand and anecdata can no longer be told apart. what am i still doing here?

roncesvalles 7mo ago

Google's captcha (the one where you select the squares) is just such a painful experience, I actually get excited when I see Cloudflare's captcha. I'd estimate my Cmd+W rate when I see a gCaptcha is at least 25%.

marcuschong 7mo ago
And now it appears every single time I use incognito mode on my browser, somehow. I hate it profoundly.
- chrisjj 7mo ago
  How, is it is exploiting your browser's failure to protect your privacy, leaking session status.

liviux 7mo ago

Cloudflare helps so much for free, they are the good guys. Try harder to find someone to hate if that's what you seek

sph 7mo ago
Doing things for free is being the good guys? Oh, the naivety.
negura 7mo ago
enjoy your free product. while i do my business on other websites that didn't block me
KetoManx64 7mo ago
Facebook and Google provide all their services for free as well. Why aren't they the good guys too?
- chrisjj 7mo ago
  I do think Facebook charges for ads. And Google for storage.
bdangubic 7mo ago
if you think there is anything free about what they (and any other big tech company) do, I have some Enron stock options to sell to you
discordance 6mo ago
Cloudflare Warp could quite easily be a honey pot

negura 7mo ago

any website that is using Cloudflare and has a legal obligation towards you (like processing refunds, registering complaints, GDPR data requests, etc.) can be forced to fulfill that obligation via manual human labour. just contact them and say you're unable to do it using their website because the Cloudflare service is blocking you

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glider6360 7mo ago

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queenkjuul 7mo ago

I'll take a one-click cloudflare captcha over Google bullshit 10/10 times

is_true 6mo ago

It really depends on how the owners of the site configure it. For example, I live una border and sometimes my phone connectsnto the other country's mobile network, when that happens the national weather service becomes unusable for me.

chrisjj 6mo ago
It being the branding??

ddactic 6mo ago

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